Re: [MW:24499] RE: 24491] Re: 24479] Inspection Certification EN10204 3.1 in China

Hi friend,

i agree with Mr. Pradip Goswami, please insist supplier to adhere to 3.1 certification, and neither is complicated nor time consuming matters are  involved in this, for specifically 3.1A,3.1B - its regular manufacturer process only, just documentation they have to prepare in a good fashion to comply to the standard,

a snap shot of the EN 10204 is attached for your ready reference,

also just insist with proper justification for time and cost implication for the 3.1 certification from the manufacturer/supplier.

Thanks & Regards,

Lakshman kumar B

+91 9440031459.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:09 AM, pgoswami <pgoswami@quickclic.net> wrote:

Hi Farzad,

 

If this standard (EN10204)  is mandated in Project specification vendor should ask for deviations at the very beginning, not when equipments or components are getting ready for completion or shipment. That's unethical.

 

The salient points of EN10204 3.1 are explained in the attachments. There are many Chinese vendors who are able to meet these overseas standards or else their product will not get exported.

 

You may require some firm but logical talks with your EPC contractor.

 

Please see the link from LR's website also for more clarifications.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Pradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWE
Independent Welding & Metallurgical Engineering Specialist & Consultant.
Ontario,Canada.
ca.linkedin.com/pub/pradip-goswami/5/985/299

pgoswami@quickclic.net

pradip.goswami@gmail.com

 

 

 http://www.lr.org/en/energy/inspection/codes-standards-regulations/europe-middle-east-africa/en-10204-type-32-certification/

 

 

 

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Subject: [MW:24491] Re: 24479] Inspection Certification EN10204 3.1 in China

 

Hello Mr. Kumar,

 

With thanks, noted your comment but we need EN10204 type 3.1 certification. Does it have any meaning that Chinese vendors cant follow this STD? EPC Contractor claims many Chinese vendors cant follow it and will give up and for others will cause to worse delivery time and price. Its meaningless in my opinion and whats the procedure for vendors to get this certification approved if they don't have it yet? Generally do they need to be audited to get this certification by any specific organization or not, just they have to follow its rules?

thanks,

Farzad

 

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:01:20 AM UTC+3:30, Lakshman Kumar wrote:

Hi friend,

As per EN 10204, different designation of classes are their, -

Ex 3.2, it is demanding witness / validation by TPI/Owner is mandatory, in the same STD 2.1, 2.2 Designations are also available – which manufacturers will submit his test reports, complying to other supporting documents.

Hence you can convince to china manufacturers stating that "as per EN 10204 – Designating 2.1 or 2,2"

Also that the material / product is going out of china then the documentation shall also be in accordance to the recipient country standards, because end user requirements has to comply.

 

Equivalent ISO code is ISO 10474

 

Thanks & Regards,

Lakshman Kumar B,

+91 9440031459.

 

From: material...@googlegroups.com [mailto:material...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Farzad
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 12:06 AM
To: Materials & Welding
Subject: [MW:24479] Inspection Certification EN10204 3.1 in China

 

Dear Engineers,

Recently we have gone to a project with a Chinese EPC contractor for a petrochemical plant which most procurements will be done from China.

Now the issue is that we need that EN 10204 certification should be mentioned in all procedures and certifications should be arranged based on this EN STD. But suddenly contractor refused this clause with excuses that this STD is only for Europe and not applicable in China. They claim in case of insist many Chinese vendors may decline and delivery time and price also will be increased.

Please help how we can answer and convince them that this STD should be followed with all vendors including Chinese ones, we need scientific and logical explanation to convince them officially. Also I'm wondering if there are any equivalent standards of EN10204 in China that can be referred to it with peace of mind to force vendors for following?

Thanks in advance for your advices and comments...

 

Best Regards,

Farzad

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