Sunday, July 30, 2023

[MW:34451] Impact test test Requirements

Good morning experts
      

          In WPS ,from where we need to get Impact test qualified thickness ranges (min - max). what are dimensions of Test coupon,and how can we decide the impact test temperature?why Heat input should be calculated,when ever impact test required in wps,is hardness required for ever joint ? please give ur best in the point of Saudi Aramco projects.

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Saturday, July 29, 2023

[MW:34452] SPWHT requirement ASME and ARAMCO - Advise


Hello Everyone,

Could you please advise and share your experience regarding SPWHT requirements of material (Plate, Pipe, forging, Fittings and Flanges) for pressure vessels as per ASME and ARAMCO standard. and please elaborate in detail and also mention the reference if possible. 


If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me .

Thanks & Best Regards,

 

Awais Butt

Senior QA/QC Inspection Engineer | QA/QC Department




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Friday, July 28, 2023

Re: [MW:34450] selecting Proper storage tank material - Advise


Dear,

I can see that corrosion is limited only to the weld joints. If yes, then why 7018 is used for welding. 7018 is carbon steel (CS) filler and shall not be used with SS cladding in case service is corrosive otherwise galvanic corrosion will occur.

Usually the chemical MFR issue detailed MSDS where it list compatible and non-compatible material for material handling and storage. Go ask him and if CS is not suitable for the stored material inside tank, then it is mistake from tank manufacture. In simple word, if you selected internal clad of SS, then internal welds exposed to service also shall be SS not CS.

also, I can see localized corrosion which may be either 1 - wrong welding electrodes only for these welds or Improper pickling and passivation after fabrication before placing tank in-service

thanks
Ahmed
Corrosion Engineer
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 05:10:08 PM GMT+2, Raafat <slag2010@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Gents,

Kindly support selecting the proper storage tank material of Sodium Polycarboxylate.
currently, I have 100 ton CS storage tank of Sodium Polycarboxylate the internal Stainless steel 304 cladding 2mm sheets.
After one year of operation, we found corrosion spots and Sodium Polycarboxylate leakages.
internal SS 304 cladding welding joints by Argon welding - 7018 welding wires.
tank tested by water and it was excellent without any leakages.
The Sodium Polycarboxylate data sheet is attached.
I've attached photos of the corrosion.

Please advise which material I should select to fabricate a storage tank for Sodium Polycarboxylate and how to solve current corrosion spots.

thanks. 

ploy 1.jpg

poly 2.jpg
poly 4.jpg
poly 5.jpg

poly 6.jpg

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Wednesday, July 26, 2023

Re: [MW:34447] Re: Interpretation of Clause QW 407.2 of ASME SEC. IX

Dear Mr. Satish,

You can use existing PQR for a WPS/ Job having maximum holding time 118.75 minutes.

Regards,


C. R. GANDHI

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 05:03:28 PM GMT+5:30, AJAY MAGAR <ajaymagar2202@gmail.com> wrote:



Dear all,

following code interpretation clear all for above raised query.

Standard Designation:

BPV Section IX

Edition/Addenda:
Para./Fig./Table No:

Subject Description:
QW-407.1 and QW-407.2, Postweld Heat Treatment (2007 Edition)

Date Issued:

12/11/2007

Record Number:

07-1708

Interpretation Number :

IX-07-06

Question(s) and Reply(ies):

Background: A weld test coupon for a PQR was welded to itself using P-No. 1, Group 2 plate material and postweld heat treated at 1110°F to 1130°F (600°C to 610°C) for 10 hr. The PQR documents all supplementary essential variable notch-toughness requirements. Notch toughness is required and all qualification ranges are supported by the PQR for production welds.

Question: Will this PQR support a WPS that specifies a PWHT temperature range below the lower
transformation temperature, provided the time at temperature does not exceed 12.5 hr?

Reply: Yes.


On Friday, October 19, 2012 at 8:08:42 AM UTC+4 Harry Patel wrote:
Dear Mr. Satish.
 
This clause apply when impact test is applicable to job.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM, HAREESH K V <haree...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr.Sathish,

Which is your construction code for Welding Procedures? If it is Section IX, please refer QW-253; QW407.1 and QW407.4 are the only essential variables for smaw.

So you can use that PQR for making a WPS of the holding temperature given by you. But check if it is violating any metallurgical requirements.

experts please correct me if i am wrong.

Regards,

Hareesh K V


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, JASPAL SINGH <jaspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Satish,
 
From the data it seems that the material is either P4 or P5. Impact testing may be there either at -18 or -29.
 
The understanding of the clause is little logical.
 
" Procedure qualification test shall be subjected to PWHT essentially equivalent to that encountered in the fabrication of production welds"
 or including at least 80% of the aggregate times at temperature(s).
 
So in your case PQR is qualified with 95minutes PWHT.
 
But as per this clause lower limit is 32 minutes in the PQR. So your PQR is meeting the minimum requirement. But upper limit is essentially equivalant to the production which is 40minute but you have 95 minute. 
 
So in my openion you can not use this PQR, as it is not the true representation of actual weld conditions. 
 
Regards 
 
Jaspal Singh 
 
 

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:36:27 PM UTC+5:30, shah satish wrote:
Dear All,
Hi,
I have a one PQR with PWHT,Heat treatment cycle is 660 - 665 Deg. C
Temp. and time 95 minutes, and my job  Heat treatment cycle 660 - 665
Deg. C. Temp and soking time 40 minutes (min).can i use this pqr for
job.

Thanks

Satish,

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Re: [MW:34447] GAUGE LENGTH REQUIRED SA105 MATERIAL

Please refer ASTM A370 or ASME SA-370.

Please also refer ASTM E8M section 6.10

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar




On Wednesday, 26 July, 2023 at 01:55:09 pm IST, Sam <samraja224@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Expert,

Gauge length shall be reported in MTC as per ASME SA-105 material. 

Kindly confirm and reference clause.


Thanks,
Sam-Kuwait

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Re: [MW:34447] Clarification regarding T,K,Y JOINTS WELDING

      The answer is No. 
      Know the differences between their bevel preparations. Hope the following will help you understand them: 

·        The difference between the 6G and 6GR positions is the restriction ring and the bevel preparation. 6G is prepared 

     as a single 'vee' at 45 degrees position with the horizontal plane, while the 6GR bevel preparation is a single bevel 

     and the two connecting pipes have different thicknesses, one is thicker by at least 4-6mm.

·        What differentiates the 6G from the 6GR? 

·        Firstly, the difference between both is the R in the 6GR. The letter R indicates that 6GR welding consists of a restricting 

     ring. Another difference between the 6G and 6GR is the bevel preparation. Bevel preparation is a procedure done to 

     prepare the metal before one can start welding. The welder cuts a slope at a specific angle on the metal, particularly at 

     the edge.  

·        If you are familiar with the 6G and 6GR test positions, you will understand how important both are when welding pipe and 

     tubular structures.

·        Now let's look at what the 6G and 6GR positions imply to help broaden our understanding of how they differ.

·        What's the 6G all about?

·        Firstly, the 6G position is the type whereby your tubular weld joint has to be included at an angle of 45 degrees. It's a difficult 

     test to pass, though not impossible. 

·        What is the 6GR all about? 

·        6GR turns out to be more challenging, you will find a restriction plate wrapped around the pipe's circumference here. This plate 

     restricts the angle of the filler metal or electrode. And as a consequence of this restriction, welding becomes more challenging 

     than it should be.

·        So, when you find a 6GR welder, know that the said individual has successfully overcome the obstacle in this test piece and 

     welded it perfectly to have gotten that certification. The R means there's an obstacle to overcome.

·        Further, another notable difference is that obtaining the 6G certificate qualifies a welder to weld pipe butt in all positions. On the 

     other hand, obtaining the 6GR certification means the welder is qualified to weld structural TKY connections.


C Sridhar.

 


On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 13:18, Uma sankar Sankar <umasankar6246@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Experts
                        Can 6G qualified welder can weld T,K,Y joints,yes or no.If yes why,if no why.
Why only 6GR qualified welder only can weld T K Y JOINTS?
What type of NDT required?
How to weekly Repair rate of welder.


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Re: [MW:34444] Clarification regarding T,K,Y JOINTS WELDING

As per AWS D1.1, 6GR is required

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Dear Experts
                        Can 6G qualified welder can weld T,K,Y joints,yes or no.If yes why,if no why.
Why only 6GR qualified welder only can weld T K Y JOINTS?
What type of NDT required?
How to weekly Repair rate of welder.


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[MW:34444] GAUGE LENGTH REQUIRED SA105 MATERIAL

Dear Expert,

Gauge length shall be reported in MTC as per ASME SA-105 material. 

Kindly confirm and reference clause.


Thanks,
Sam-Kuwait

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Re: [MW:34444] Clarification regarding T,K,Y JOINTS WELDING

Hi Uma shankar,

1) 6G - welder - No 

2) 6GR welder -Yes, TKY -joints are partial penetration groove joints with limited access during welding.
                          R stands for restriction ring during performance qualification. 

3) TKY NDT   - Before welding - UT Lamination check.
                         After Welding- Wet magnetic particle testing & Angle probe-Ultrasonic testing. 

4) Repair Rate- Only applicable for Full penetration groove weld & butt weld only (Category A-CategoryA,B,C)
 


Regards 
Vinoth






On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:48 AM Uma sankar Sankar <umasankar6246@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Experts
                        Can 6G qualified welder can weld T,K,Y joints,yes or no.If yes why,if no why.
Why only 6GR qualified welder only can weld T K Y JOINTS?
What type of NDT required?
How to weekly Repair rate of welder.


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[MW:34441] Reg. 71T1 wedding travel speed

Dear Sir
   What is the welding travel speed in 71T1 welding with co2.
Pl suggest. 

Regards.
Rupak Kumar 

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[MW:34441] Clarification regarding Non confurmity

Dear Experts

ASTM A 692 pipe joint welded on June 10th 2023 ,NDT RT result was failed , while attending  repair,come to know that drawing revised on June 20th ,As per revised drawing required pwht.As per old drawing pwht not required.
What may be the root cause?
What will be the proposed correction?
If the pqr done with pwht ,is it possible to prepare wps with and without pwht?

But pwht is Essential variable for welding procedure specifications?
During investigation 15 joints were found in the same situation, what will be the action can we take?
I believe,I will get the best answer 

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[MW:34441] Clarification regarding T,K,Y JOINTS WELDING

Dear Experts
                        Can 6G qualified welder can weld T,K,Y joints,yes or no.If yes why,if no why.
Why only 6GR qualified welder only can weld T K Y JOINTS?
What type of NDT required?
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[MW:34440] Impact test requirement for Reinforcing pad plate for Non Sour Service

Hi team,

Kindly advice the requirement of impact test for Reinforcing pad plate which is welded to the main header. Kindly note that the main header pipe is already impact tested.

Service: Non Sour
Lateral Material: SS316/316L
Lateral Sizes: 
60" X 30" 
60" X 42" and 
60" X 52"
Code: ASME B31.3

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Tuesday, July 25, 2023

Re: [MW:34439] Pressure conversation

Sir please find herewith attached copy 

On Mon, 24 Jul, 2023, 8:40 pm subin babu, <subinbabu40@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys
What was the accurate conversion value of 
Bar to kg/cm² ?


I have a doubt which one is correct value for calculation 
1.02
0.981
Please let me know the  correct one 

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Re: [MW:34438] Re: Interpretation of Clause QW 407.2 of ASME SEC. IX


Dear all,

following code interpretation clear all for above raised query.

Standard Designation:

BPV Section IX

Edition/Addenda:
Para./Fig./Table No:

Subject Description:
QW-407.1 and QW-407.2, Postweld Heat Treatment (2007 Edition)

Date Issued:

12/11/2007

Record Number:

07-1708

Interpretation Number :

IX-07-06

Question(s) and Reply(ies):

Background: A weld test coupon for a PQR was welded to itself using P-No. 1, Group 2 plate material and postweld heat treated at 1110°F to 1130°F (600°C to 610°C) for 10 hr. The PQR documents all supplementary essential variable notch-toughness requirements. Notch toughness is required and all qualification ranges are supported by the PQR for production welds.

Question: Will this PQR support a WPS that specifies a PWHT temperature range below the lower
transformation temperature, provided the time at temperature does not exceed 12.5 hr?

Reply: Yes.


On Friday, October 19, 2012 at 8:08:42 AM UTC+4 Harry Patel wrote:
Dear Mr. Satish.
 
This clause apply when impact test is applicable to job.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM, HAREESH K V <haree...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr.Sathish,

Which is your construction code for Welding Procedures? If it is Section IX, please refer QW-253; QW407.1 and QW407.4 are the only essential variables for smaw.

So you can use that PQR for making a WPS of the holding temperature given by you. But check if it is violating any metallurgical requirements.

experts please correct me if i am wrong.

Regards,

Hareesh K V


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, JASPAL SINGH <jaspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Satish,
 
From the data it seems that the material is either P4 or P5. Impact testing may be there either at -18 or -29.
 
The understanding of the clause is little logical.
 
" Procedure qualification test shall be subjected to PWHT essentially equivalent to that encountered in the fabrication of production welds"
 or including at least 80% of the aggregate times at temperature(s).
 
So in your case PQR is qualified with 95minutes PWHT.
 
But as per this clause lower limit is 32 minutes in the PQR. So your PQR is meeting the minimum requirement. But upper limit is essentially equivalant to the production which is 40minute but you have 95 minute. 
 
So in my openion you can not use this PQR, as it is not the true representation of actual weld conditions. 
 
Regards 
 
Jaspal Singh 
 
 

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:36:27 PM UTC+5:30, shah satish wrote:
Dear All,
Hi,
I have a one PQR with PWHT,Heat treatment cycle is 660 - 665 Deg. C
Temp. and time 95 minutes, and my job  Heat treatment cycle 660 - 665
Deg. C. Temp and soking time 40 minutes (min).can i use this pqr for
job.

Thanks

Satish,

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Monday, July 24, 2023

[MW:34435] selecting Proper storage tank material - Advise

Dear Gents,

Kindly support selecting the proper storage tank material of Sodium Polycarboxylate.
currently, I have 100 ton CS storage tank of  Sodium Polycarboxylate the internal Stainless steel 304 cladding 2mm sheets.
After one year of operation, we found corrosion spots and  Sodium Polycarboxylate leakages.
internal SS 304 cladding welding joints by Argon welding - 7018 welding wires.
tank tested by water and it was excellent without any leakages.
The  Sodium Polycarboxylate data sheet is attached.
I've attached photos of the corrosion.

Please advise which material I should select to fabricate a storage tank for  Sodium Polycarboxylate and how to solve current corrosion spots.

thanks. 

ploy 1.jpg

poly 2.jpg
poly 4.jpg
poly 5.jpg

poly 6.jpg

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Sunday, July 23, 2023

[MW:34435] HIC Test + NACE

When do we specify HIC requirements along with NACE Sour service requirements?

In many case NACE + HIC are mentioned...what does this mean?

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Saturday, July 22, 2023

[MW:34435] Pressure conversation

Hi guys
What was the accurate conversion value of 
Bar to kg/cm² ?


I have a doubt which one is correct value for calculation 
1.02
0.981
Please let me know the  correct one 

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Thursday, July 20, 2023

Re: [MW:34434] Corrosion Test Fail For Duplex Steel

Gents,

In the past a had a project with Super-Duplex with the same problem.
To solve this we liked to use Ar-N2 as a backing gas, but this was not in stock.
We switched to 100% N2 as a backing gas, and this worked out well for the corrosion test (40 degrees centigrade for Super DSS) and the complete PQR
In all cases the use of cold pass technique (thicker root pass (HI 1.2 kJ/mm max, thin second pass) interpass max 150 centigrade, overall HI max 1 kJ/mm has to be maintained 

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Ir. Jurgen Prinsen IWE
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Verzonden: Woensdag 19 juli 2023 15:36:34
Onderwerp: Re: [MW:34431] Corrosion Test Fail For Duplex Steel

Gentlemen excuse me if I have interrupted. This is a  Forum where everybody shares their  Technical knowledge and experience so that it is useful to the concerned. Sometimes we may be wrong also and take it sportively without being offended.

Argon + 2% N2 mixture is highly recommended for purging and shielding for the below purposes.

1.  Nitrogen is an Austenite stabilizer and promotes Austenite formation in the duplex matrix.
2. It improves Pitting corrosion resistance.
3. The maximum solubility of Nitrogen in DSS A32205 is 0.2% and anything more than that will come out of the solution.
4. Nitrogen delays the formation of Intermetallic phases.
 
5. Nitrogen may be more efficient in aiding ASTM G48 corrosion test.


But in ASTM A923, the weight loss is mainly due to Intermetallic Phases as higher PREN electrodes used such as Super duplex and Nickel base electrodes does not cause in weight loss due to pitting corrosion. I feel the main reason is higher alloy contents of Cr, Mo,W in the welding consumable which causes Intermetallic phases. Though N2 mixture has some effect but unless care is taken on correct welding consumable it is difficult to prevent and also equally dependent on WElding conditions like Heat Input, Preheat and Interpass temperature.

Some portions below on sigma phase.




Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar




On Wednesday, 19 July, 2023 at 09:08:39 am IST, Babur Khan <mbabur.bwp@gmail.com> wrote:


Greetings,
In pas we faces same issue and after that we get recommendations from test laboratories to use mixture gases for shielding and purging.
Argon + 2% Nitrogen mixer with ER2594 filler wire.a

 Babur Khan Lashari 

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On 18 Jul 2023, at 2:16 PM, Ashish Chacko <iamashleo007@gmail.com> wrote:

Backimh and shieldimg gas was argon grade 4.7 b ( 99.997%)

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 11:10:50 UTC+3 Vishwas Keskar wrote:
What was the backing and shielding gas ?

Sent from my iPhone

On 18-Jul-2023, at 10:56 AM, Ashish Chacko <iamash...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am currently working on developing a Procedure Qualification Record (PQR) for Duplex Steel. In the process, I conducted welding using the base material SA 790 (UNS:32205) and utilized two different filler wires: ER-2594 and ER-Nicr-Mo-14 for different coupons. Size of the coupon 6" Thick:10.97 mm.

However, I encountered a concern during the corrosion testing phase, as per ASTM A923-03 standards. Both test materials failed the corrosion test. I'm seeking guidance from the experts in this group to understand the possible reasons for the failure and to explore potential solutions or alternative approaches.

If anyone has experience with similar issues or insights into the matter, I would greatly appreciate your assistance.

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[MW:34433] Attachment unknown material to pressure part welding UG-4(b)

Dear Expert,

Attachment clip material is Unknown (As per drg SA240 TY SS304L) to pressure part is shell (SA516 GR.70N). No MTC and traceability for attachment material. Same to be used in 'R'-Stamp repairing vessel.UG-4(b).JPG

Cases,
1, Can weld with PMI and Hardness testing of unknown and verifying weldability and strength of replacement material as per sec viii-1 and NBIC ?
2, Can use No traceability (No product marking) material as per ASME SEC VIII-1 for attachment welds ?
3, Can use SA240 TY316L with traceability material instead of SA240 TY304L (different grade)?

Kindly advise us.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023

Re: [MW:34431] Corrosion Test Fail For Duplex Steel

Just to add a portion from API RP582.

Inline image


Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar




On Wednesday, 19 July, 2023 at 09:08:39 am IST, Babur Khan <mbabur.bwp@gmail.com> wrote:


Greetings,
In pas we faces same issue and after that we get recommendations from test laboratories to use mixture gases for shielding and purging.
Argon + 2% Nitrogen mixer with ER2594 filler wire.a

 Babur Khan Lashari 

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jul 2023, at 2:16 PM, Ashish Chacko <iamashleo007@gmail.com> wrote:

Backimh and shieldimg gas was argon grade 4.7 b ( 99.997%)

On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 11:10:50 UTC+3 Vishwas Keskar wrote:
What was the backing and shielding gas ?

Sent from my iPhone

On 18-Jul-2023, at 10:56 AM, Ashish Chacko <iamash...@gmail.com> wrote:



I am currently working on developing a Procedure Qualification Record (PQR) for Duplex Steel. In the process, I conducted welding using the base material SA 790 (UNS:32205) and utilized two different filler wires: ER-2594 and ER-Nicr-Mo-14 for different coupons. Size of the coupon 6" Thick:10.97 mm.

However, I encountered a concern during the corrosion testing phase, as per ASTM A923-03 standards. Both test materials failed the corrosion test. I'm seeking guidance from the experts in this group to understand the possible reasons for the failure and to explore potential solutions or alternative approaches.

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[MW:34919] Welder qualification certificate

Dear All     anyone can share a format for welder certificate and card format        Thanks & Best Regards Saleem manhappulath Mob:+9665...