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Re: [MW:33334] Need support for gas cutting and welding ,shot blasting and painting costing.

Dear Mr. Sachin 

Please find the attached for consumable weight calculation slides.

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On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 5:00 PM Sachin Gonjare <sachinsgonjare@gmail.com> wrote:
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Please help me ,I want to do actual costing (for arc and CO2 welding)of gas consumption,electrode consumption,CO2 wire consumption.If have any data please share. .
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Re: [MW:33336] Re: 33319] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Dear Mr. Mahesh

Yes you are correct, if the welder is Qualified in P1(CS) he is qualified to weld all metals of P‐No. 1 through P‐No. 15F, P‐No. 34, and P‐No. 41 through P‐No. 49. Since SS material falls in P8, the welder can weld SS Base Metal also.

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On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 4:59 PM maheshQAQC <chilukamarimahesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sir,
As per QW-423 welder does not required re qualification and he can weld as per table mentioned material. pls correct me if i misinterpret the table. 

thanks
Mahesh


On Friday, 29 July 2022 at 20:55:41 UTC+8 pgos...@rogers.com wrote:

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The welder is not qualified to weld SS 316 or DSS or SDSS. Though the F No for consumables remain to be the same , the P No gets changed. Hence welder will require new qualification.

 

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Dear Experts,

 

CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

 

 

 

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Re: [MW:33334] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Dear Mr. Madheswarn

Since you haven't mentioned the Code Reference, I'm considering ASME SEC IX which is widely used in the industry. As per ASME SEC IX, if the welder is qualified to weld the filler ER70S2, which falls under F-Number F6, he can weld all the filler which falls under F-Number F6, as per QW-433. Since ER316 and other filler wires of SS fall under F-Number F6, the welder can weld these SS Filler wires. Note that other essential variables shall also be noted like Backing, Purging which depends upon the Welding process.

Also please note which Code is referred and based on that this qualification also changes.

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CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?



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Saturday, July 30, 2022

Re: [MW:33334] Re: 33319] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Some contractors use the essential variable tables (QW-352 thru 357) to minimize their costs. For instance, they might test the welder for stainless steel material by using carbon steel material.

Consider the actual project material is stainless steel and you do not want to waste stainless steel material for testing.

You ask the welder to weld in carbon steel material but with stainless steel filler metal.

Ø Based on the essential variable table P number 1 (Carbon Steel) qualifies P 8 (Stainless Steel), and the

Ø  F number is the same.

Ø So you qualify your welder for stainless steel material by using carbon steel material but stainless steel filler metal.

Ø Adding back gas(purge gas) for SS welding -NO ESSENTIAL VARIABLE



On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 17:01:17 EEST, srinivas rao <engr.srini@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Madheswaran ,

As general understanding of code  ,If the Essential variables of CS qualified by the welder are not changes, then the welder is allowed to weld SS material as permitted by the ASME SEC IX , QW-423, There is only one major change in SS welding is back purging(backing). A welder qualified without backing, can weld with backing as per ASME sec IX this is only limited to GTAW process/the process where essential variables are not changed

So a welder qualified in CS without purging can weld SS with purging. But one has to consider other variables like are this welder cable to do welding in case of purging, is he aware of welding variable, other welding requirements to be followed for material mainly inter pass, travel speeds.

Considering the base material chemistry , metallurgy and criticality of the job one shall not allow CS qualified welder for SASS, DSS, SDSS welding even though code permits.

thanks& regards,
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The welder is not qualified to weld SS 316 or DSS or SDSS. Though the F No for consumables remain to be the same , the P No gets changed. Hence welder will require new qualification.

 

Thanks.

 

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Dear Experts,

 

CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

 

 

 

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[MW:33333] Re: 33319] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Dear Madheswaran ,

As general understanding of code  ,If the Essential variables of CS qualified by the welder are not changes, then the welder is allowed to weld SS material as permitted by the ASME SEC IX , QW-423, There is only one major change in SS welding is back purging(backing). A welder qualified without backing, can weld with backing as per ASME sec IX this is only limited to GTAW process/the process where essential variables are not changed

So a welder qualified in CS without purging can weld SS with purging. But one has to consider other variables like are this welder cable to do welding in case of purging, is he aware of welding variable, other welding requirements to be followed for material mainly inter pass, travel speeds.

Considering the base material chemistry , metallurgy and criticality of the job one shall not allow CS qualified welder for SASS, DSS, SDSS welding even though code permits.

thanks& regards,
Srinivas Rao
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Hi,

The welder is not qualified to weld SS 316 or DSS or SDSS. Though the F No for consumables remain to be the same , the P No gets changed. Hence welder will require new qualification.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami.P.Eng, IWE.

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Dear Experts,

 

CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

 

 

 

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[MW:33332] ASME SEC II PART D -

Dear Experts ,

ASME SEC II PART D - The Table for Non ferrous materials is referred.

 For one of SB 564 Flange material- Ni based alloy UNS6625  , we come across following note :

 G22-The minimum tensile strength of reduced section tension specimens in accordance with QW –462.1 of Section IX shall not be less than 110,000 psi.

Pl. elaborate the significance of the above note  and how it is to applied for design job/fabrication?Welding 

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[MW:33324] Weld Copper to Stainless Steel 304

Dear Sir, 

Kindly suggest consumables for welding of Copper to Stainles Steel. 

Thank you.

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Re: [MW:33328] WELDING CONSUMABLE EXPIRY DATE

Dear Sujith

 Eletrode self life:

 1. SMAW electrodes shall not used more than 3 years  

2. Solid Wires, GTAW/GMAW/SAW-No shelf Life.  

3. Cored Wire –FCAW- No shelf life

4. SAW Fluxes- Shelf life 2-3 years depends on the flux condition. 

International Welding codes does not specify the expiry dates of welding electrodes.  example, The shelf-life depends on electrode manufacturing methods, quality control followed and how electrodes are handledThe shelf-life depends on the coating type, type of packing, storing conditions and at a temperature, humidity electrodes are stored. Based on all the these  points electrodes manufacturer decides shelf life

However following rules shall be followed about usage

1.      SMAW electrodes should be FIFO

2.       If electrode coating damaged and shows sign of peeling, rusting & cracks those shall be discarded

3.      Some of the manufacturer recommendations Electrodes older than 3years shall not be used or some manufacturer says 5years if electode stores at dry conditions and with proper packing.

some of the code manufacturer specifies Appropriate storage and handling of electrodes/ fluxes, other consumables and how Electrodes shall be shall be maintained, & most of the manufacturer's recommendations and as a good engineering practices electrode can be used 3 years Max. this time period of 3-5 years is arrived by manufacturers based on deterioration of properties due to Moisture absorption by electrodes packing, normal packing will not give required protection against moisture for longer time. Vacuum packed / hermetically sealed packed Electrodes are not affected and electrodes can be stored more time provided the vacuum/seal is not damaged. if Electrodes/ flux, are stored in a dry environment with around RH< 40-50%, deterioration effect can be minimized. So in such situations electrodes can utilized for more than 3years say up to 5years


Thanks & regards,

Srinivas Rao

welding Engineer 

 

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:17:43 AM UTC+4 kannayeram gnanapandithan wrote:
Check with manufacturer

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What are the welding consumable expiry date acceptance criteria.....is there is mention anywhere in the code for the expiry of electrode and filler wire..???



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Re: [MW:33324] 3.2 requirement

Dear Mithleash 

To avoid conflicts Need to discuss the same with client if needed up to end user for acceptance, 

All the parties should agreed for the test to be conducted, and its acceptance limits, since some time client specification has some stringent requirements, 

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On Tue, 26 Jul, 2022, 10:22 am mithlesh kumar, <mithleshmech47@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Expert,

we have some pipes of 316 material all pipes are off cut and heat identification is not available on these pipes. MTC type requirement is 3.2 also we have not MTC. what is the Procedure to certify the material as per the 3.2 type requirement? 

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Re: [MW:33324] Fwd: Flange tightening

See below for flange tightening steps.

Saygılarımla, / Best Regards,

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Dear sir,
I have a doubt in flange tightening in our project work 6" flange cl900# NRV flange type valve we did hydraulic torquing the gasket bent (bucking) to touch flange inner surface . So client inspector reject due to this I ask what criteria based on reject nothing reply get from him

Please help me to solve this issue any code have or not?

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Re: [MW:33324] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Check the filler no of both welding consumble if both are same we can use it, 

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CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?



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[MW:33324] Need support for gas cutting and welding ,shot blasting and painting costing.

Dear All Experts
Please help me ,I want to do actual costing (for arc and CO2 welding)of gas consumption,electrode consumption,CO2 wire consumption.If have any data please share. .
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[MW:33325] Re: 33319] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Hi Sir,
As per QW-423 welder does not required re qualification and he can weld as per table mentioned material. pls correct me if i misinterpret the table. 

thanks
Mahesh
QW-423.png

On Friday, 29 July 2022 at 20:55:41 UTC+8 pgos...@rogers.com wrote:

Hi,

The welder is not qualified to weld SS 316 or DSS or SDSS. Though the F No for consumables remain to be the same , the P No gets changed. Hence welder will require new qualification.

 

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CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

 

 

 

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Re: [MW:33324] Fwd: Flange tightening // Gasket buckling

Dear sir,
Our gasket spiral wound ss321 inner and outer graphite filler .

Torque range above bolt size 1" and 400 NM they said hydraulic torquing 

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:59 PM Raghuram Bathula <raghurambathula@gmail.com> wrote:
What type of Gasket is and what are the torque values applied? (it should be backed by calculations suitable with the gasket, bolts/flange material, lubrication etc.)
Buckling may cause turbulence in fluid flow, and may leak over time.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 13:23, Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl ur inputs on the below mail. 

THANKS & BEST REGARDS,
KG.PANDITHAN, BE, IWE,  CSWIP 3.1,
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ASNT-Level II in PT,MT,RT & UT,
LA ISO 9001-2015,
International Welding Engineer. 
CONSULTANT-WELDING & QUALITY
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Date: Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 5:55 PM
Subject: Flange tightening
To: Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com>


Dear sir,
I have a doubt in flange tightening in our project work 6" flange cl900# NRV flange type valve we did hydraulic torquing the gasket bent (bucking) to touch flange inner surface . So client inspector reject due to this I ask what criteria based on reject nothing reply get from him

Please help me to solve this issue any code have or not?

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[MW:33323] RE: 33319] CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separate SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

Hi,

The welder is not qualified to weld SS 316 or DSS or SDSS. Though the F No for consumables remain to be the same , the P No gets changed. Hence welder will require new qualification.

 

Thanks.

 

Pradip Goswami.P.Eng, IWE.

Independent Welding & Metallurgical Engineering Specialist

Saudi Aramco Approved Designated Project Welding Engineer (DPWR)

Qatar Petroleum Approved, SME-Materials & Corrosion Engineering.

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Dear Experts,

 

CS material, E70S2- Welder qualified , can he weld SS 316 material & Duplex, Super duplex material with already  he has E70s2 qualification ? or he should be qualified by separately for SS 316 & Duplex ,SDSS material ?

 

 

 

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Re: [MW:33322] Fwd: Flange tightening // Gasket buckling

What type of Gasket is and what are the torque values applied? (it should be backed by calculations suitable with the gasket, bolts/flange material, lubrication etc.)
Buckling may cause turbulence in fluid flow, and may leak over time.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 13:23, Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Pl ur inputs on the below mail. 

THANKS & BEST REGARDS,
KG.PANDITHAN, BE, IWE,  CSWIP 3.1,
ISO 9712 Level 2 in VT,
ASNT-Level II in PT,MT,RT & UT,
LA ISO 9001-2015,
International Welding Engineer. 
CONSULTANT-WELDING & QUALITY
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Subject: Flange tightening
To: Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com>


Dear sir,
I have a doubt in flange tightening in our project work 6" flange cl900# NRV flange type valve we did hydraulic torquing the gasket bent (bucking) to touch flange inner surface . So client inspector reject due to this I ask what criteria based on reject nothing reply get from him

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Re: [MW:33320] Pickling and passivation need before painting SS surfaces

Normally in the seat they apply stellite overlay  which is cobalt based for wear resistance. Only stainless steel can be pickled and passivated.


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Dear Experts

Thanks all for very valuable support. 

There is an overlay welding involved in the body seat of the valve. Do we need pickling and passivation inside only in this case?

Outside there will be painting. 

Regards
Anilkumar

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 9:18 AM Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Sweep sand blast and do painting, Pickling & Passivation not required
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:55 AM Sudhakar Kuppuswamy <sudhakarceng@gmail.com> wrote:
If the painting is applicable , picking and passivation is not required.

Regards,
Sudhakar K 

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 12:19 PM Anilkumar G <akg.nitt@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Experts

Do we need pickling and passivation of SS surfaces before painting them? Could you please suggest any specification relevant this requirement?
The parts are SS cast valves requiring painting.

Regards

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Re: [MW:34874] ASME IX, groove weld during WQT limits for Fillet Weld production

Hi David,  There are two points in WQT. 1. Thickness of Base Metal -T 2. Thickness of Weld Metal -t When you use a combination of two proces...