Tuesday, June 30, 2020

Re: [MW:31087] API 582

ER 70 S2 and E 7018-1 do not give consistent impact at -46 Deg C . Many failures are reported. 
For guaranteed impact at -46 deg C ER 80SNi 1 Can be used Sometimes there are restrictions in some services due to preferential weld corrosion problem.
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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 1:17 PM, Vanchinath S.A. <vanchinaths@gmail.com> wrote:

ER 70S2 spl  wire is available meeting nace requirements and impact at minus 46 Deg C

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, 09:10 Nithin Joseph, <nithindsilva4u@gmail.com> wrote:
ASTM A333 Gr.6 to ASTM A350 LF2.

Both materials are 70 KSI grades, hence matching filler wire is ER 70S types. You can decide on designation after verifying with MTC, preferably ER 70S-3 or 6. 

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, 18:51 K K, <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Experts.

Can anyone suggest to according to API 582 as per TABLE - A1 has not recommended ER80S-Ni1 for AWS 5.28 GTAW process.

Please explain to me in detail the table - A1 API 582 and which electrode shall I use for the below-mentioned material.

PQR material - ASTM A333 Gr.6 to ASTM A350 LF2.

PQR Thickness - 12.7 mm.

Impact tested - -46°C

Thanks and regards,

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Re: [MW:31086] 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

Thanks, Sourav.

And thanks for your support, you have clarified my doubt.


On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 4:18:02 PM UTC+5:30, sourav sharma wrote:
mr kiran all ready you got your answer why you are not trying to understand creating new misunderstanding again n again.
see your requirment is not requirment of Asme its requirment of client on the basis of their experience client simply wants to know after doing heat treatment  3 times what property they are getting what is change in behaviour of material,weld  simply is there increase or decrease in prop he wants to know for that you also look at your tdc or mtc client asked for simulated plate also.
now lets talk about welding-
qw407.2 is only and only applies when your base metal / weld metal is not exempted from impact test.what code said in this clause
 heating,colling rate, time, temp is should be same as of wps during soaking period.
secondly if you have a any old wps which has same rate of heating,colling ,temp and wps time is 80% of time required in pwht for vessel.
now simply calculate time for single pqr what ever time you will get multiply it by 3 you will get total time for 3 cycle than take coupon heat it for a time required for 3 cycle no need of separte pqr for 3 cycle u can use 1 pqr and do testing on it .
this is simple and clear now for you

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 7:35 pm Kiran Ekbote, <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir, 

  Thanks for your reply,   

Heat Treatment required for the Weld.
can you describe more on this topic, regarding Mechanical test and hardness test?
What is the time required for one cycle and for 3 cycles?


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:23 PM 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <material...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Is the Heat Treatment required for Plates or for the Welds.

If it is for the Plates during the procurement stage, then you need to follow the same Heat Treatment simulating the exact condition it undergoes.

1. Initial Heat Treatment for the Plates will be the first cycle.
2. PWHT after welding will be the second cycle
3. Taking into account the Repair after PWHT will be the 3rd cycle.

You can simulate the same condition on one coupon and undergo the test as per Material standard.

If it is for Welds, then you can apply PWHT in one cycle as the snap short  below.

Inline image

One Coupon and the testing requirements as per ASME Sec.IX and applicable specifications.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 12:12:39 PM GMT+7, K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All,

Expertise can you please see my query, Can I get the solution to the below query.

How to Calculate 3 cycle PWHT, What are the requirements? please explain to me in detail.

What are the initial requirements and what are mechanical and hardness requirements? 

Please explain to me in detail with a step vise.

I hope i will get a good response from the Materials & Welding team and from Expertise.

Thanks

Kiran

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Thanks for your support.


Regarding PWHT of 3 cycles.

Below I have mentioned my PQR ranges for PWHT.

POST WELD HEAT TREATMENT( QW-407)
TEMPERATURE RANGE 630 ±10° C
SOAKING PERIOD 190Min
HEATING RATE 190°C/Hours Max
COOLING RATE 190°C/Hours Max.
As per the above range, it's qualified 3 cycles, but how? and for 3 Cycles PWHT where I required test coupons? how many coupons tests shall I have conduct?
Please clarify my above query in detail with code.

Thanks once again.

Kiran


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:43:19 AM UTC+5:30, petervsoloman wrote:
Dear Kiran,
Once PWHT competed for joints due to modification cut/reweld or repair re PWHT required that particular joints.
it is mention in the procedure is enough to do the job. This you can mention in your weld repair procedure.
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PETER SOLOMAN
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Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
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Re: [MW:31079] Re: 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

dnt mix 31.3 with asme ..these all point belongs to asme only dnt apply to b31.3  check before use

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, 6:51 pm K K, <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all for your response to my query.

These requirements as per our contractor specification.
But I need clarification about normal PWHT ( As per B31.3 ) and 3 cycles PWHT, for time calculation.
Thanks once again.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:02:58 AM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
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Re: [MW:31079] Re: 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

dear i dont think so above mention time calculation is ryt

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, 6:51 pm K K, <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks all for your response to my query.

These requirements as per our contractor specification.
But I need clarification about normal PWHT ( As per B31.3 ) and 3 cycles PWHT, for time calculation.
Thanks once again.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 10:02:58 AM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
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Re: [MW:31079] 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

read code properly multiple cycle is mention there but with interpretation

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 10:51 am José Juan Jiménez Alejandro, <jjjimeneza@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never seen in the ASME Code (Section I and VIII Div. 1) that mentions anything about three cycles of a PWHT, the PWHT tables in these two ASME sections are very clear in terms of materials, times and temperatures.
Regards!.

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Please provide the ASME Code reference where the 3 cycle PWHT is specified to understand your exact requirement.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 10:35:50 PM GMT+7, Kiran Ekbote <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Sir, 

  Thanks for your reply,   

Heat Treatment required for the Weld.
can you describe more on this topic, regarding Mechanical test and hardness test?
What is the time required for one cycle and for 3 cycles?


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:23 PM 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Is the Heat Treatment required for Plates or for the Welds.

If it is for the Plates during the procurement stage, then you need to follow the same Heat Treatment simulating the exact condition it undergoes.

1. Initial Heat Treatment for the Plates will be the first cycle.
2. PWHT after welding will be the second cycle
3. Taking into account the Repair after PWHT will be the 3rd cycle.

You can simulate the same condition on one coupon and undergo the test as per Material standard.

If it is for Welds, then you can apply PWHT in one cycle as the snap short  below.



One Coupon and the testing requirements as per ASME Sec.IX and applicable specifications.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 12:12:39 PM GMT+7, K K <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All,

Expertise can you please see my query, Can I get the solution to the below query.

How to Calculate 3 cycle PWHT, What are the requirements? please explain to me in detail.

What are the initial requirements and what are mechanical and hardness requirements? 

Please explain to me in detail with a step vise.

I hope i will get a good response from the Materials & Welding team and from Expertise.

Thanks

Kiran

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Thanks for your support.


Regarding PWHT of 3 cycles.

Below I have mentioned my PQR ranges for PWHT.

POST WELD HEAT TREATMENT( QW-407)
TEMPERATURE RANGE 630 ±10° C
SOAKING PERIOD 190Min
HEATING RATE 190°C/Hours Max
COOLING RATE 190°C/Hours Max.
As per the above range, it's qualified 3 cycles, but how? and for 3 Cycles PWHT where I required test coupons? how many coupons tests shall I have conduct?
Please clarify my above query in detail with code.

Thanks once again.

Kiran


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:43:19 AM UTC+5:30, petervsoloman wrote:
Dear Kiran,
Once PWHT competed for joints due to modification cut/reweld or repair re PWHT required that particular joints.
it is mention in the procedure is enough to do the job. This you can mention in your weld repair procedure.
Regards,
PETER SOLOMAN
+971 33663119

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
Kiran

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Re: [MW:31079] 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

this is not code requirment

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, 7:08 am 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding, <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Please provide the ASME Code reference where the 3 cycle PWHT is specified to understand your exact requirement.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 10:35:50 PM GMT+7, Kiran Ekbote <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Sir, 

  Thanks for your reply,   

Heat Treatment required for the Weld.
can you describe more on this topic, regarding Mechanical test and hardness test?
What is the time required for one cycle and for 3 cycles?


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:23 PM 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Is the Heat Treatment required for Plates or for the Welds.

If it is for the Plates during the procurement stage, then you need to follow the same Heat Treatment simulating the exact condition it undergoes.

1. Initial Heat Treatment for the Plates will be the first cycle.
2. PWHT after welding will be the second cycle
3. Taking into account the Repair after PWHT will be the 3rd cycle.

You can simulate the same condition on one coupon and undergo the test as per Material standard.

If it is for Welds, then you can apply PWHT in one cycle as the snap short  below.

Inline image

One Coupon and the testing requirements as per ASME Sec.IX and applicable specifications.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 12:12:39 PM GMT+7, K K <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All,

Expertise can you please see my query, Can I get the solution to the below query.

How to Calculate 3 cycle PWHT, What are the requirements? please explain to me in detail.

What are the initial requirements and what are mechanical and hardness requirements? 

Please explain to me in detail with a step vise.

I hope i will get a good response from the Materials & Welding team and from Expertise.

Thanks

Kiran

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Thanks for your support.


Regarding PWHT of 3 cycles.

Below I have mentioned my PQR ranges for PWHT.

POST WELD HEAT TREATMENT( QW-407)
TEMPERATURE RANGE 630 ±10° C
SOAKING PERIOD 190Min
HEATING RATE 190°C/Hours Max
COOLING RATE 190°C/Hours Max.
As per the above range, it's qualified 3 cycles, but how? and for 3 Cycles PWHT where I required test coupons? how many coupons tests shall I have conduct?
Please clarify my above query in detail with code.

Thanks once again.

Kiran


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:43:19 AM UTC+5:30, petervsoloman wrote:
Dear Kiran,
Once PWHT competed for joints due to modification cut/reweld or repair re PWHT required that particular joints.
it is mention in the procedure is enough to do the job. This you can mention in your weld repair procedure.
Regards,
PETER SOLOMAN
+971 33663119

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
Kiran

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Re: [MW:31079] 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

mr kiran all ready you got your answer why you are not trying to understand creating new misunderstanding again n again.
see your requirment is not requirment of Asme its requirment of client on the basis of their experience client simply wants to know after doing heat treatment  3 times what property they are getting what is change in behaviour of material,weld  simply is there increase or decrease in prop he wants to know for that you also look at your tdc or mtc client asked for simulated plate also.
now lets talk about welding-
qw407.2 is only and only applies when your base metal / weld metal is not exempted from impact test.what code said in this clause
 heating,colling rate, time, temp is should be same as of wps during soaking period.
secondly if you have a any old wps which has same rate of heating,colling ,temp and wps time is 80% of time required in pwht for vessel.
now simply calculate time for single pqr what ever time you will get multiply it by 3 you will get total time for 3 cycle than take coupon heat it for a time required for 3 cycle no need of separte pqr for 3 cycle u can use 1 pqr and do testing on it .
this is simple and clear now for you

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 7:35 pm Kiran Ekbote, <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir, 

  Thanks for your reply,   

Heat Treatment required for the Weld.
can you describe more on this topic, regarding Mechanical test and hardness test?
What is the time required for one cycle and for 3 cycles?


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 2:23 PM 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Is the Heat Treatment required for Plates or for the Welds.

If it is for the Plates during the procurement stage, then you need to follow the same Heat Treatment simulating the exact condition it undergoes.

1. Initial Heat Treatment for the Plates will be the first cycle.
2. PWHT after welding will be the second cycle
3. Taking into account the Repair after PWHT will be the 3rd cycle.

You can simulate the same condition on one coupon and undergo the test as per Material standard.

If it is for Welds, then you can apply PWHT in one cycle as the snap short  below.



One Coupon and the testing requirements as per ASME Sec.IX and applicable specifications.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 12:12:39 PM GMT+7, K K <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All,

Expertise can you please see my query, Can I get the solution to the below query.

How to Calculate 3 cycle PWHT, What are the requirements? please explain to me in detail.

What are the initial requirements and what are mechanical and hardness requirements? 

Please explain to me in detail with a step vise.

I hope i will get a good response from the Materials & Welding team and from Expertise.

Thanks

Kiran

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Thanks for your support.


Regarding PWHT of 3 cycles.

Below I have mentioned my PQR ranges for PWHT.

POST WELD HEAT TREATMENT( QW-407)
TEMPERATURE RANGE 630 ±10° C
SOAKING PERIOD 190Min
HEATING RATE 190°C/Hours Max
COOLING RATE 190°C/Hours Max.
As per the above range, it's qualified 3 cycles, but how? and for 3 Cycles PWHT where I required test coupons? how many coupons tests shall I have conduct?
Please clarify my above query in detail with code.

Thanks once again.

Kiran


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:43:19 AM UTC+5:30, petervsoloman wrote:
Dear Kiran,
Once PWHT competed for joints due to modification cut/reweld or repair re PWHT required that particular joints.
it is mention in the procedure is enough to do the job. This you can mention in your weld repair procedure.
Regards,
PETER SOLOMAN
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
Kiran

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Re: [MW:31079] 3 Cycle PWHT requirements acc.to ASME

dear you are wrong

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 7:36 pm Kannayeram Gnanapandithan, <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
QW 407.2. is it not applicable to impact requirements. 

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 2:23 pm 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding, <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Is the Heat Treatment required for Plates or for the Welds.

If it is for the Plates during the procurement stage, then you need to follow the same Heat Treatment simulating the exact condition it undergoes.

1. Initial Heat Treatment for the Plates will be the first cycle.
2. PWHT after welding will be the second cycle
3. Taking into account the Repair after PWHT will be the 3rd cycle.

You can simulate the same condition on one coupon and undergo the test as per Material standard.

If it is for Welds, then you can apply PWHT in one cycle as the snap short  below.

Inline image

One Coupon and the testing requirements as per ASME Sec.IX and applicable specifications.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar



On Friday, June 26, 2020, 12:12:39 PM GMT+7, K K <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All,

Expertise can you please see my query, Can I get the solution to the below query.

How to Calculate 3 cycle PWHT, What are the requirements? please explain to me in detail.

What are the initial requirements and what are mechanical and hardness requirements? 

Please explain to me in detail with a step vise.

I hope i will get a good response from the Materials & Welding team and from Expertise.

Thanks

Kiran

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM UTC+5:30, K K wrote:
Thanks for your support.


Regarding PWHT of 3 cycles.

Below I have mentioned my PQR ranges for PWHT.

POST WELD HEAT TREATMENT( QW-407)
TEMPERATURE RANGE 630 ±10° C
SOAKING PERIOD 190Min
HEATING RATE 190°C/Hours Max
COOLING RATE 190°C/Hours Max.
As per the above range, it's qualified 3 cycles, but how? and for 3 Cycles PWHT where I required test coupons? how many coupons tests shall I have conduct?
Please clarify my above query in detail with code.

Thanks once again.

Kiran


On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:43:19 AM UTC+5:30, petervsoloman wrote:
Dear Kiran,
Once PWHT competed for joints due to modification cut/reweld or repair re PWHT required that particular joints.
it is mention in the procedure is enough to do the job. This you can mention in your weld repair procedure.
Regards,
PETER SOLOMAN
+971 33663119

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

Please describe to me regarding 3 cycle PWHT requirements as per ASME.

If my PQR tested with two coupons where I required one more test coupon and additional one more for repair.

Please explain to me in detail and related to mechanical testing for PWHT.

What is the meaning of this paragraph - **an additional one PWHT cycle shall be incorporated to simulate field repair or modification.**

Thanks and Regards
Kiran

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Re: [MW:31078] Right consumable for S 31254 to SA 516 Gr 70 mtrl.

Hi,
S31254 is under ASME P.No.8. SA516 Gr.70 is P.No.1.

For P.No.8 to P.No.1 use E/ER309 or ER309L

Thanks& Regards,

 

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 04:39:00 PM GMT+7, clvaidya.2010@gmail.com <clvaidya.2010@gmail.com> wrote:


Right consumable for S 31254 to SA 516 Gr 70 mtrl.

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Re: [MW:31078] API 582

Hi,
Since this is P.No.1,Low temperature material, why do you go for ER80S-Ni1 ? Its used for weathering steel and corrosion resistant applications. It can be used to weld SA350, LF5 (P.No.9A) which is 1.5Ni steel

SA350, LF2 and SA333 Gr.6 are C-Mn-Si steel (P.No.1), for this ER70S2 or ER70S-6 are fine. Electrode E7018-1

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 04:09:54 PM GMT+7, K K <karan.hbl@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks for your response.

Please explain to me why I can't use ER80S-Ni1 for AWS 5.28 GTAW process according to the table - A1 API 582. 


Thanks 

Kiran

On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 9:11:14 AM UTC+5:30, Karthik wrote:
Hi,
You can use E7018-1 / ER70S-1B / ER70S-6

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On Monday, June 29, 2020, 09:51:39 PM GMT+7, K K <kara...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Experts.

Can anyone suggest to according to API 582 as per TABLE - A1 has not recommended ER80S-Ni1 for AWS 5.28 GTAW process.

Please explain to me in detail the table - A1 API 582 and which electrode shall I use for the below-mentioned material.

PQR material - ASTM A333 Gr.6 to ASTM A350 LF2.

PQR Thickness - 12.7 mm.

Impact tested - -46°C

Thanks and regards,

Kiran

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[MW:34820] RE: 34813] Clarification in Rate of heating and cooling.

Hello,   Please see the response below.   Regards.   P. Goswami, P. Eng, IWE.   From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com <materials-weld...