Sunday, March 31, 2019

Re: [MW:29441] PQR & WPS thickness limits

As you said ,Test coupon is 50mm thick with GTAW 25mm and SMAW 25mm welding. Generally GTAW is used for root and hot pass, not for 25 mm. If you do 25 mm GTAW WELDING,  your production rate as well as welding cost will be more.

Follow  ASME Sec IX QW-451.1, It will be helpful for you

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:56 PM George Dilintas <dilintas@gmail.com> wrote:
you are confusing the base metal thickness range and the deposited thickness range.
Those are two distinct essential variables 

Στις Σάβ, 30 Μαρ 2019 στις 6:59 π.μ., ο/η Nabeel <khan.nabeelahmed@gmail.com> έγραψε:
I have reviewed a PQR for GTAW+SMAW welding. Test coupon is 50mm thick with GTAW 25mm and SMAW 25mm welding. On the WPS thickness range is given as upto 200mm for both GTAW and SMAW.
How is this possible as more than 38mm test coupon qualifies for up to 200mm welding ??

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Re: [MW:29441] Re: ASME SEC IX Code Issue

Inter pass Temp. is not the essential variable and as I know there is no such criteria for Max. and minimum inter pass temp. limit.  If your test coupon pass required DT ( Tensile Test, Face Bend, Root Bend) , there is no problem

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:56 PM George Dilintas <dilintas@gmail.com> wrote:
your max Interpass temp in the WPS is 195degC.

Pls take into account that the Code is not a welding handbook

Στις Παρ, 29 Μαρ 2019 στις 5:35 π.μ., ο/η Souravbohray <ermechsouravbohray@gmail.com> έγραψε:
i want to know were is given asme sec 9 what will be interpass temprature.is there any value given in code for interpass temp it is given only + 55 c but what temperature we can go +55 c preheating temp given in asme sec 8  

On Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:13:18 UTC+5:30, limesh M wrote:

Dear All,

Design Code: ASME B31.3     Welding Code: ASME SEC IX

I have a Low temperature carbon steel impact tested PQR with a PWHT range of 600⁰±10⁰C.Is this condition giving an exemption for me on QW406.3 to prepare a WPS with maximum interpass temperature of 200⁰C.

Maximum interpass temperature observed during specimen welding: 140⁰C

 
Regards,
 
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[MW:29441] [Urgent] Tube to Tubesheet Calculation

Hi,
I am new to this topic. I have to solve the engineering part of doing the calculation.
Here is the statement of problem-->
Take the actual nominate tube and tube sheet material, conduct analysis
mathematically to estimate the joint strength.
 Conduct analysis to estimate the maximum expansion the tube can take
without affecting the integrity of the tube section. (Check the wall thickness
reduction in %)
 Once the maximum expansion on tube has been calculated, check the tube
to tube-sheet joint:
 0.25mm oversized hole with the tube at maximum expansion
 0.5mm oversized hole with the tube at maximum expansion
 0.75mm oversized hole with the tube at maximum expansion

Nominal tube diameter-38.1 mm
> Nominal tube sheet hole-38.56 mm 
tube thickness 3.2 mm
Tube material SS 304

TEMA Extract (values in mm, bracket in inches
38.10 (11/2)  Tube nominal dia
38.56 tube sheet nominal dia
(1.518)
0.18 under tolerance 
0.08 over tolerance 
(0.003)

I have calculated maximum expansion of the tube as per the attached excel. Can someone help me to make the calculation for the above statement?
Thanks

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Re: [MW:29441] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

Including fill and cap pass. In a test all are subjected to test

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 7:56 pm Gowtham Rajendran, <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Any increase in heat input above that used in the PQR is not allowed as per AWS D1.1 & ASME Sec IX , when CVN requirements apply , so in this case with max. & min, heat input , how we should fix the max. heat input for filling passes.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 07:57, Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Take minimum and maximum among the reading recorded

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 8:04 am Gowtham Rajendran, <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi ,
       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

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Re: [MW:29441] PQR & WPS thickness limits

Pl ref QW 451 for base metal and weld metal. Hope that u agree with base metal thickness ( T) range. For weld metal (t) thickness range is as follows, if deposited weld metal thickness is less than 19mm, then range is 2t. And deposited weld metal equal or greater than 19mm, then thickness range is 200mm. Thanks

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 7:56 pm George Dilintas, <dilintas@gmail.com> wrote:
you are confusing the base metal thickness range and the deposited thickness range.
Those are two distinct essential variables 

Στις Σάβ, 30 Μαρ 2019 στις 6:59 π.μ., ο/η Nabeel <khan.nabeelahmed@gmail.com> έγραψε:
I have reviewed a PQR for GTAW+SMAW welding. Test coupon is 50mm thick with GTAW 25mm and SMAW 25mm welding. On the WPS thickness range is given as upto 200mm for both GTAW and SMAW.
How is this possible as more than 38mm test coupon qualifies for up to 200mm welding ??

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Re: [MW:29430] Re: Feasibility of Ductile iron A536 Gr65-45-12 with ss316

butter both with high nickel content filler metal and then weld them with same filler metal.
I would suggest 5mm min buttering on cast iron

Στις Τετ, 27 Μαρ 2019 στις 1:54 μ.μ., ο/η Chintan <chintan51@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Use inconel 625 for best result

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Re: [MW:29430] What's material of S 355 gp

it is a structural steel as per EN 10025.
355 indicated the min yield strength.tested on specimen of 16 mm.
It is similar to A572Gr50.
You can use E7018, ER70S6...
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What's using of this material and what's the correct electrode use to weld it 

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Re: [MW:29430] Filler Wire or Electrode for a Material

you may look in ESAB's or Tyssen sites, but basic knowledge of metallurgy is necessary to make the correct selection

Στις Παρ, 29 Μαρ 2019 στις 5:35 π.μ., ο/η vikram saipogu <saipoguvikram@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Dear All,

Is there any chart or table available,


Where I can easily determine Which electrode or filler wire to be used for respective materials ?

Best Regards,
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Re: [MW:29430] Re: ASME SEC IX Code Issue

your max Interpass temp in the WPS is 195degC.

Pls take into account that the Code is not a welding handbook

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i want to know were is given asme sec 9 what will be interpass temprature.is there any value given in code for interpass temp it is given only + 55 c but what temperature we can go +55 c preheating temp given in asme sec 8  

On Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:13:18 UTC+5:30, limesh M wrote:

Dear All,

Design Code: ASME B31.3     Welding Code: ASME SEC IX

I have a Low temperature carbon steel impact tested PQR with a PWHT range of 600⁰±10⁰C.Is this condition giving an exemption for me on QW406.3 to prepare a WPS with maximum interpass temperature of 200⁰C.

Maximum interpass temperature observed during specimen welding: 140⁰C

 
Regards,
 
Limesh

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Re: [MW:29430] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

I would advise to read QW-409.1 and the appendix H in ASME IX.
When impact test is applicable, heat input becomes a supplementary essential variable.
New PQR is required when heat input is increased.
So, considering the calculations of heat input given in QW 409.1 you have to record the max heat input per pass

Στις Κυρ, 31 Μαρ 2019 στις 5:34 π.μ., ο/η Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> έγραψε:
I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi ,
       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

Regards,
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Re: [MW:29430] Heat Treatment : Dish End

Wrong,

you should read UCS-79 carefully. The HT is a function of P-No and extreme fiber elongation, and service conditions.
UCS is applicable for carbon steel materials
For high alloy (example stainless steel) pls refer to UHA-44
For enhanced ferritic steels pls read UHT-79.

Friendly advise: read the Code carefully

Στις Κυρ, 31 Μαρ 2019 στις 5:34 π.μ., ο/η Brijesh Maurya <brijeshmaurya492@gmail.com> έγραψε:
thickness above 16 mm as per UCS-79 of ASME sev.VIII div.1

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Dear All,

Under which Condition,

Heat Treatment is mandatory for dish end ?

Thanking you.

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Re: [MW:29430] PQR & WPS thickness limits

you are confusing the base metal thickness range and the deposited thickness range.
Those are two distinct essential variables 

Στις Σάβ, 30 Μαρ 2019 στις 6:59 π.μ., ο/η Nabeel <khan.nabeelahmed@gmail.com> έγραψε:
I have reviewed a PQR for GTAW+SMAW welding. Test coupon is 50mm thick with GTAW 25mm and SMAW 25mm welding. On the WPS thickness range is given as upto 200mm for both GTAW and SMAW.
How is this possible as more than 38mm test coupon qualifies for up to 200mm welding ??

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Re: [MW:29430] How to make WPS and PQR for A106 Gr. B for my study

if no impact test requirement, the thickness range would be 1,5 mm to 2X5,9=11,8 mm

Στις Παρ, 29 Μαρ 2019 στις 5:35 π.μ., ο/η Emil Multazam <emil.multazam@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Dear Experts..

Could anybody help me, how to determine range thickness pipe A106 Gr.B for WPS ?
I have test coupon with thickness 5.9mm

Regards,

Emil Multazam
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College at University of Surabaya

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[MW:29430] Re: Filler Wire or Electrode for a Material


See attached. taken from internet but useful for general. For specific use you can refer related code & standards such as AWS D1.1, API 582 etc.

Thanks & regards
Sandeep Kumar


On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 6:35:03 AM UTC+3, Vikram Saipogu wrote:
Dear All,

Is there any chart or table available,


Where I can easily determine Which electrode or filler wire to be used for respective materials ?

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Re: [MW:29430] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

take the maximum value 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 9:27 AM Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Take minimum and maximum among the reading recorded

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 8:04 am Gowtham Rajendran, <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

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       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

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Re: [MW:29430] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

Any increase in heat input above that used in the PQR is not allowed as per AWS D1.1 & ASME Sec IX , when CVN requirements apply , so in this case with max. & min, heat input , how we should fix the max. heat input for filling passes.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 07:57, Kannayeram Gnanapandithan <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:
Take minimum and maximum among the reading recorded

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 8:04 am Gowtham Rajendran, <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi ,
       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

Regards,
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Re: [MW:29429] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

Take minimum and maximum among the reading recorded

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 8:04 am Gowtham Rajendran, <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi ,
       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

Regards,
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Re: [MW:29427] Heat Treatment : Dish End

thickness above 16 mm as per UCS-79 of ASME sev.VIII div.1

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:53 PM vikram saipogu <saipoguvikram@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,

Under which Condition,

Heat Treatment is mandatory for dish end ?

Thanking you.

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[MW:29427] Re: Multipass - Heat Input

I.e Heat Input is different in various layers for the fillup passes.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Gowtham Rajendran <rajgowthamiwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi ,
       A very good evening to you all.
       My doubt is in establishing the heat input for multipass welding , (root , fill & cap) , for the fillup passes my parameters are different for different layers , which one should i consider for establishing the Heat Input because in this CVN Requirement apply & the heat input cannot be increased as per the code (Be it ASME Sec IX or AWS D1.1).
       How to solve this problem? Kindly help.

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Re: [MW:29426] Re: ASME SEC IX Code Issue

Except ASME B31.1 and  B31.3, all other Sec1, VIII only non mandatory requirements on Preheat.   There are exemption to PWHT if we do Preheat with certain limitations.

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:54 AM José Juan Jiménez Alejandro <jjjimeneza@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not necessarily the information you are looking for, but I think it can be a guide for you to resolve your doubt, I recommend that you see the NONMANDATORY APPENDIX R PREHEATING of Section VIII Div. 1 of ASME, it brings excellent recommendations, but it is not a guarantee.
Regards!.

El jue., 28 mar. 2019 a las 22:45, Ramin Kondori (<raminkondori@gmail.com>) escribió:
The code does not give you these temperatures.
That's the welding engineer's job. Of course, there are tables and recommendations but not in ASME Sec. IX.
These are "change" in temp, not the temperature itself.

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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:05 AM Souravbohray <ermechsouravbohray@gmail.com> wrote:
i want to know were is given asme sec 9 what will be interpass temprature.is there any value given in code for interpass temp it is given only + 55 c but what temperature we can go +55 c preheating temp given in asme sec 8  

On Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:13:18 UTC+5:30, limesh M wrote:

Dear All,

Design Code: ASME B31.3     Welding Code: ASME SEC IX

I have a Low temperature carbon steel impact tested PQR with a PWHT range of 600⁰±10⁰C.Is this condition giving an exemption for me on QW406.3 to prepare a WPS with maximum interpass temperature of 200⁰C.

Maximum interpass temperature observed during specimen welding: 140⁰C

 
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[MW:29425] PQR & WPS thickness limits

I have reviewed a PQR for GTAW+SMAW welding. Test coupon is 50mm thick with GTAW 25mm and SMAW 25mm welding. On the WPS thickness range is given as upto 200mm for both GTAW and SMAW.
How is this possible as more than 38mm test coupon qualifies for up to 200mm welding ??

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Re: RE: [MW:29423] PMI Testing -ss316


SAES-A-206
10 Acceptance Criteria
10.1 For acceptance, it must be demonstrated that materials contain the amounts of alloying elements shown in the material specification. Alloys shall be acceptable if the alloying elements are each within 10% of the specified range of values.
10.2 Welds with consumables that match, or nearly match, the base metal composition shall be within ±12.5% of the ranges allowed in ASME SEC IIC for each element.

11 Rejection Procedures
11.1 If the PMI testing results fall outside the acceptable range using a method described in Section 8, the Equipment Manufacturer or the Fabricator, as applicable, has the option to conduct a more accurate analysis at his own expense to determine the component acceptance such as obtaining a chemical analysis performed by an independent testing laboratory. The alternative test method or independent laboratory must be acceptable. The results of the more accurate test method or independent chemical analysis shall govern.
11.2 If any component or weld is found unacceptable, it shall be replaced and the replacement shall be alloy verified in accordance with this standard.


Regards
Muneeb
 
From: PGoswami
Date: 2019-03-30 08:18
Subject: RE: [MW:29422] PMI Testing -ss316

Hi,

Please see the highlighted text. It does not say what technique was adopted. PMI could be done by XRF and OES techniques. Assuming this was done by XRF, this technique  could yield erratic results. More number of spots/reading, better is the accuracy. How many spots were taken?

If would be advisable to test the sample with both XRF and OES and then come to conclusions

Also see below the recommendations from API-578 and act accordingly.

Thanks.

 

 

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7 Evaluation of Testing Results

7.1 Material Acceptance Methods

The owner/user may elect any one of the following methods of material acceptance.

a) Materials can be confirmed to contain the nominal amounts of alloying elements specified in the relevant

materials specification (e.g. ASME Section II or ASTM specifications).

b) Materials can be classified through a qualitative sorting technique (see 6.7) to establish the conformance

with the intended material.

c) When PMI indicates that alloying elements are outside the ranges indicated in the material specification,

the owner/user may still choose to allow the use of the tested materials in situations where a person

knowledgeable of the appropriate damage mechanisms confirms that the material will perform

satisfactorily in the service.

d) If testing using one of the portable or qualitative analysis methods leads to the potential rejection of a

component, a more accurate analysis may be used to determine component acceptance (see

Section 6).

From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kannayeram Gnanapandithan
Sent: March 29, 2019 7:39 AM
To: materials-welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MW:29418] PMI Testing -ss316

 

Ref ASME SEC I, Non Mandatory Appendix B, 

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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:05 AM pradip kumar Sil <pradipsil@gmail.com> wrote:

Check PFI STANDARD ES 42

 

Materials shall contain the amount of
alloying elements specified in the
applicable ASME/ASTM specification.
Alloy materials, alloy castings and alloy
welding filler materials (tested in their
raw form or with the alternative described
in para. 5.7) shall be acceptable under this
procedure if each of the major alloy
elements is detected to have a value no
less than 10% below the minimum value
nor more than 10% above the maximum
value specified by the governing material
specification

 

According this your material is accepted

 

On 28 Mar 2019 3:51 pm, "Kannayeram Gnanapandithan" <kgpandithan@gmail.com> wrote:

what is the tolerance for PMI values


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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:44 PM Sameer <sameer.landgebv@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Experts ,

During PMI testing of SS316 material Ni observed - 9.86% , required range is 10-14%.

observed value will be accepted or not . Please provide your valuable comments .

 

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[MW:34916] Applicability of Impact requirement as per ASME B31.3

Dear All, Design code – ASME B31.3, Welding Code- ASME BPVC SEC IX Material  to be used used during Fabrication - SA 333Gr6 (P No.1 G...