In the process of making a WPS confirming to BS Code from ASME IX or vice versa, I would suggest you to start with the Gap Analysis of these two standards.
You already have the Essential, Non Essential and Supplementary Essential Parameter listed in respective sections for both the codes. On the basis of each parameter you need to note the constrains, through carefully understanding the limits in each of the code.
This process will take time but considering you have to follow the Gap Analysis chart for all your future project with the client, this would help you in save the time in long run as well as furnish you with some in-depth concept of the two codes.
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From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken waterhouse
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:53 AM
To: Materials & Welding
Subject: [MW:12807] Re: BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the replies.
Thank you for pointing out that the EN 288 is used for WPS as apposed to the EN 287. I never thought about that and I'm glad you brought it to my attention.
However, the WPS's that we have, (ASME IX) still need to be matched to a list of BS EN /ISO WPS's if you see what I mean. So that we can start printing the new WPS numbers on drawings and following them in shop, to satisfy the customer. I know it would be possible to re- qualify all of the same variables under the new code, but it would save a lot of time to be able to just find the equivalent by means of cross referencing between the two codes and their range of approvals.
Please let me know if this makes more sense.
I'm not sure it's the best way to do it, but the boss has asked...
Thanks again for the help.
Ken
On Nov 1, 1:14 am, "Pieper QSI" <i...@pieper-qsi.nl> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> The mentioned EN 288-1, 2, 3 and 4 are withdrawn and replaced by EN
> ISO
> 15609 up to EN ISO 15614 which are similar to the mentioned ISO versions.
>
> Please be aware that there is a new version of the EN 287-1 valid
> since July
> 2011 in which the validity range is changed compared to the previous
> addition.
>
> For example: fillet welds are no longer qualified when performing a
> welder qualification on butt welds.
>
> All qualifications should met the requirements of the latest edition
> regarding the validity range.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten / Best Regards
>
> Herman Pieper
>
> Pieper Quality Support & Inspection
>
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>
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> Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens alireza samimi
> Verzonden: maandag 31 oktober 2011 16:39
> Aan: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [MW:12802] BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
>
> hi dear
>
> according to your explanation i think you do not know exactly any
> information aboutBS EN
>
> I would like to inform you BS EN 287-1 is not usefull for WPS AND PQR
> .and oly use for welder qualification.
>
> according to EN standard you should see EN 288-1,2,3,4 for WPS and PQR
> and according to ISO you must see ISO 15609 for wps and ISO 5614 for
> PQR
>
> WITH BEST REGARDS
>
> --- On Mon, 10/31/11, ken waterhouse <waterhouse....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: ken waterhouse <waterhouse....@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MW:12801] BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
> To: "Materials & Welding" <materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 4:42 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> Just started a new job as welding supervisor. Aside from lots and lots
> of other crap that is wrong with the way the company is doing things
> at the moment, they have such a scattered array of WPS's in both ASME
> IX and BS EN 287-1 that it is almost impossible to collate and use all
> the information.
>
> Our biggest client (national electricity supplier) is shifting to an
> entirely BS EN 287-1 controlled system, from a mix of ASME and BS EN,
> which means that we as a subcontractor of theirs must do the same.
>
> I'm busy working through the WPS's available to me so far and trying
> to relate them to one another, to see where we need to formulate
> completely new WPS's and where we can trans-code them to their
> equivalents. Also just to get the list of all of them in one place.
>
> What I'm hoping is that someone out there has done something similar
> to this before and how you approached it.
>
> If it helps at all, our BSEN WPS #'s look like this S B 3 03. 8 (20) S
> (SMAW, Butt, material 3, Sequence number 03, filler 8, Preheat 20
> deg., Stress relieving)
>
> and our ASME IX ones are as follows M B x 1. 8 (20) S (SMAW, Butt,
> Symbol [on drawing], material group 1, filler group 8, 20deg. preheat
> and stress relieving)
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
>
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