Re: [MW:28724] Auto Welding Copper back up strip fused with Root run

Hi

I believe you will get the welding parameter set up information from the backing strip manufacturer as well.

So, please check and share the backing strip material manufacturer name.

With Kind Regards

P Govindan 

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 11:30 AM riaz rafeeque <riaz.rafeeque@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 1:41 PM riaz rafeeque <riaz.rafeeque@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for replies, 

We are following EIL specification , and API 1104.  This is natural gas pipeline of API 5L x 70, 6.62 mm. We deployed auto welding machine of PIPE WELDING TECHNOLOGY ITALY. 

During PQT , we observed that the root backing strip of Copper fused with Root run.  We are using GMAW process , with argon and Co2 gas mixture. Root 40 % CO2.  Filler wire ER 80S-D2

Attaching here few pics of same.

Me assuming few things based on discussion with site rep on Pipe Welding Technology , 

1) High Current or excess penetration. 

2) High Flowrate, or Density Caused by high percentage of CO2 led to high penetration.

3) Small root face. Currently it is 2 mm. 

4) Also someone suggested that 0.5mm of ID bevel may avoid root penetration and can eliminate fusion with copper backing strip. 

I need you guys help for resolving issue . Thank to all for responses so far.

Riaz Rafeeque

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 12:43 PM muneebslsa@gmail.com <muneebslsa@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Please confirm whether you incorporated below requirements,

Check para 328.3.2 WBM, (b) says If two abutting surfaces are to be welded to a third member used as a backing ring and one or two of the three members are ferritic and the other member or members are austenitic, the satisfactory use of such materials shall be demonstrated by welding procedure qualified as required by para. 328.2.

or

(c) Nonferrous and Nonmetallic Backing Rings. Backing rings of nonferrous or nonmetallic material may be used, provided the designer approves their use and the welding procedure using them is qualifiedas required by para. 328.2.

I had a same similar observation in my previous projects where like 500 welds were completed with SS backing strip which is a longitudinal welds of full encirclement, so not to get puncture with the base materials they have used SS plate backing strip removable without procedure qualifications, still i found some fusion / depostion in the backing and they said it is temporary, BM is CS BS is SS, so i made a violation, but you know it went in different level.

Anyhow even if you are working for SA projects, even tempeory backing strips shall be of same materials, please confirm whether you on SA projects? and did you demonstrate procedure qualification or your designer approved?

Thanks.

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From: Ri@z

Date: 2018-12-04 11:14

To: Materials & Welding

Subject: [MW:28719] Auto Welding Copper back up strip fused with Root run

Dear All, 

We are introduced auto welding on 6.62 MM thickness , API 5L X 70 .  J groove prepared with 2 mm root face and zero root opening. 

Root has supported with copper back up strip/Shoes

But after welding we observed that copper back up strip is melted and fused with root run. 

Kindly help to resolve the issue. What are the possible reason for the problem ?? 

With Regards

Riaz Rafeeque 

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