Dear sir
Regarding to acceptance values of delta ferrite FN for welded fitting of material grade A403 wp304L of normal temp. Sevice.
Plz clarify more regarding to delta ferrite determination for ss material.
Brijesh patel
Indian register of shipping,baroda
On May 28, 2014 9:07 AM, "Sandeep Sandeep" <roohanicast@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Dear Sir--Very Very thanks for your reply. We will try as you say and after getting the result i will inform you again.ThanksSandeep
On Sunday, 18 May 2014 08:57:28 UTC+5:30, pgoswami wrote:Hi Sandeep,SS 316L casting would always contain some ferrite, in cast condition.See the attached document for general guideline. This is an extract from NIDI publication document -11022. The easiest way to get round this issue would be to perform solution anneal, after casting.Ferrite determination is performed either by Ferrite Scope, the readings expressed in Ferrite No (FN) or Volume Percentage Ferrite calculation as per ASTM E-562. Schaffler-Delong diagram is quite accurate to predict ferrite in weld metal. This may not be always true for cast or formed components. Ferrite in austenitic stainless steel is a high temperature precipitation phase.The only way to get "Zero" ferrite would be to balance the composition , by introducing "Nitrogen " in the melt over and above the required other alloying elements, e.g Cr,Ni & others. At the same time components must be solution annealed following casting and rough machining. Final machining may follow solution anneal.Hope this clarifies your query.ThanksPradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWEWelding & Metallurgical SpecialistOntario, Canada
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Subject: [MW:20835] Re: Delta Ferrite Test on SS 316LDear Sir--We are the casting manufacturer of Orthopedic Item in SS 316L. We are facing some problem of Delta ferrite. Our customer required 100% ferrite free material. Pleas sir can you pleas help us how we can reduce our ferrite. Currently our ferrite is coming aroung 10%. and what is the best method of ferrite testing.Waiting for your valuable reply.RegardsSandeep8003294160
On Tuesday, 15 January 2013 10:44:52 UTC+5:30, sridhar wrote:...Mr. Rudolf,Please refer to your mail and shall answer your following queries to the best of my knowledge and in a short form.No apologies as we all help each other in one form or other. If you need more info. please feel free to write to us.
Query:One of the clients requirement is that Delta Ferrite has to be checked on the weldment as per Schaeffler method.
1. what is this delta ferrite test & how is it conducteda)To understand it, one has to know reason for ferrite formation. Welding metals like 304L, 316L, retain someamount of delta ferrite formed at grain boundaries, due to composition of weld metal & welding conditions likehigh temperature (5500 - 9500C). Both factors determine the percentage of delta ferrite as well as its size,morphology and distribution. Though delta ferrite reduces risk of micro fissuring / cracks, if it exceeds 8-10%, corrosion resistance of SS decreases steeply. Ferrite level beyond 7% is unacceptable for high temperature service. Again, Zero or very low ferrite may also create micro-fissures. Hence it has to be checked /inspected dependingup on theservice conditions.
Ferrite turns to brittle sigma phase (rich in Cr) at high temperature and affects ductility, toughness and also cause inter granular corrosion due to Cr depletion from austenite matrix. Hence it has to be maintained depending up on service requirements.
These details were brought by Schaeffler by metallographic i.e., Ferrite Percentage (shown in the annexure)which helps to determine the structure of weldment, like ferrtic, austenitic , percentage of delta ferrite at normal conditions etc. The limitation is the non-equilibrium cooling rate, selection of welding process, shielding gas,non inclusion of Nitrogen (a strong austenite former) which has influence on the ferrite morphology.De-long has modified the Schaeffler diagram (claimed to be ±4% accurate) improving the accuracy to ± 2%.De-long diagram differs with Schaeffler diagram as the that the values are based on magnetically determinedferrite content. i.e., the Ferrite No & Nitrogen is included in the calculation of nickel equivalent with a coefficient equivalent of 30.Hence it generally believed that, De-long diagram gives more accurate values compared to Schaeffler diagram.AWS has switched over to Ferrite No. (FN) instead of percentage ferrite since, FN is derived by a standard measurement and calibration procedure as approved by Welding Research Council2. Do we buy the instrument and do it ourselves or hire a ndt service company to do this.what does this test mean and what does it say. Is it a destructive test or NDT. Can we do a PMI and work outthe Ni (eq) or Cr (eq) to arrive at the Ferrite No. What is the unit of the Delta Ferrite.a) In Schaeffler diagram, Nickel and Chromium equivalents are calculated and Delta Ferrite percentage is obtained by plotting the values. (Cr Equiv.: % Cr + % Mo + 1.5 % Si + 0.5%Cb & Ni Equiv. : % Ni + 30% C + 0.5% Mn)This method involves actually counting the ferrite phase using point counter method and estimating the percentage)In De-long diagram the Delta Ferrite No. i.e., FN is calculated by adding additional 30% N in Ni equiv.)These method is based upon the theory that, ferrite is a magnetic phase in a non magnetic austenitic matrix.
While Nitrogen level in SMAW is 0.06%, it is 0.02% through GTAW & 0.04% in GMAW process.Magnetic saturation method is a DT to determine the absolute percentage of delta ferrite in the sample andindependent of size, shape, orientation of the phase etc. Cannot be used to measure ferrite in an actual equipment.Ferrite scope, Magna gauge are other methods, to measure the delta ferrite and their results are said to be accurate and widely used due to its simplicity. They are NDT methods and could be used any one. Both gauges are available easily in the market. No need to have a service company (can be done by yourself) if the no. of checking are frequent and on a long run.Other special methods used in a research institute are X-ray diffraction, Electro chemical etc.Schaeffler and De-long Diagrams are given in the annexure.Trust above information, gathered from various references shall be of help to you.Sridhar.<w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Acce
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