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PQR's should be witnessed ( no formal requirement for witnessing)/approved by RTPO/ NOBO even if it is as per ASME IX and Section VII Div. 1 . ( ASME does not require third party witness ). This applies for Categories II, III, IV
Welders to be certified (approved, the term certified is not mentioned in the PED) by RTPO/NOBO. If welders have been qualified as per ASME but witnessed by a RTPO/NOBO it will satisfy.( ASME does not require third party witness ). This applies for Categories II, III, IV
NDT personnel to be certified (approved, the term certified is not mentioned in the PED) by RTPO typically by BINDT etc which is a member of European Federation for Non-Destructive Testing (EFNDT). ( ASNT does not require third party witness ), This applies for Categories III, IV
NOBO and RTPO are bodies registered (Notified to the EU is the correct term, legally notifcation is different from registration) in the European union. You can get the list of approved national bodies from this link
PED is a law and when you implement a law the correct terms have to be used.
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Nasser Kunju ---19/11/2014 17:25:21---PED is a directive only it is not design code. Since you are going for ASME for the design and conFrom: Nasser Kunju <nasser.kunju@gmail.com>
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com, saravanshyla@gmail.com
Date: 19/11/2014 17:25
Subject: Re: [MW:22294] PED 97/23/EC WPS & NDT Requirements
Sent by: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
PED is a directive only it is not design code.
Since you are going for ASME for the design and construction you need to comply with all ASME requirements plus additional requirements of PED.
PQR's should be witnessed/approved by RTPO/ NOBO even if it is as per ASME IX and Section VII Div. 1 . ( ASME does not require third party witness )
Welders to be certified by RTPO/NOBO. If welders have been qualified as per ASME but witnessed by a RTPO/NOBO it will satisfy.( ASME does not require third party witness )
NDT personnel to be certified by RTPO typically by BINDT etc which is a member of European Federation for Non-Destructive Testing (EFNDT). ( ASNT does not require third party witness )
NOBO and RTPO are bodies registered in the European union. You can get the list of approved national bodies from this link
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/newapproach/nando/index.cfm?fuseaction=notifiedbody.main
Trust the above will help you.
Best regards,
Nasser M.K.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:17 PM, <george.dilintas@gr.bureauveritas.com> wrote:
Compliance with harmonized standards gives presumption of conformity.
However one of the basic principles of the New Approach is that harmonized standards are not mandatory!!!!
Please note that not all EN standards are Harmonized Standards
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Dr. Georgios Dilintas
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"pgoswami" ---15/11/2014 04:48:58---Hi Saravanan,From: "pgoswami" <pgoswami@quickclic.net>
To: <materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
Cc: <saravanshyla@gmail.com>
Date: 15/11/2014 04:48
Subject: RE: [MW:22261] PED 97/23/EC WPS & NDT Requirements
Sent by: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Hi Saravanan,
I think there're some mix up on this issue.
First of all if PED is the directive or the design basis document then all welding qualifications should be done as per PED directives and appropriate EN standards.
To my understanding ,requirements and acceptance criteria of EN-288 and ASME Sec-IX are not the same. The grouping of materials , required testing and acceptance requirements differs
If your vendor is trying to push the acceptance of ASME WPS and PQR , then a comparative spreadsheet must be provided to aid the AI, without which acceptance would put the AI in liability or risk.
LR is one of the third party review organization, accepted worldwide. Hence the selection of LR as reviewer was not a problem, however acceptance of ASME welding WPS/PQR for PED designed equipments may not be the right choice.
Look at the 2nd attachment , clause 6.12 for qualification of welding procedures and 6.13 for NDE personnel.
The first attachment gives general overview of all EN standards.It's bit old, there may be changes incorporated in the standards.
Thanks.
Pradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Specialist
Ontario, Canada
pgoswami@quickclic.net
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http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/pradip-goswami/5/985/299
From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saravanan Sornam
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:35 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MW:22234] PED 97/23/EC WPS & NDT Requirements
Dear Mr.Veera ,
Thank you for your reply.
Whether LR to be from Europe as given in PED List of Notifiers, attached for your reference.
Or Even LR from ASIA is allowed to approve these procedures for PED.
Then for NDT personnel, can we use EN 473 qualified person for PED Jobs.
Regards,
Saravanan,
Korea
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:08 PM, veera raghava Kommisetti <kommisetti@gmail.com> wrote:
- LR is a notified body. No issues as such
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Saravanan Sornam <saravanshyla@gmail.com> wrote:
- Dear PED Experts,
When I cross checked the requirements from PED 97/23/EC Annex 1 clause 3.1.2 & 3.1.3 for category III items,
the operating procedures ( WPS & PQR ) and personnel ( Welders & NDE ) has to be approved either by a Notified Body or a third party organization recognized by a member state as provided for in Article 13 from PED 97/23/EC,
But our vendor has already made WPS & PQR as per ASME-IX which was reviewed by local Lloyd's Register Asia in Korea without getting from approval either from Notify Body or a Third party third party organization recognized by a member state as provided for in Article 13 from PED 97/23/EC.
NDT personnel has been certified as per EN 473.
1) Are there any options to solve this issue to fulfill Annex 1 3.1.2 & 3.1.3 from PED ?
2) The below statement from Annex 1, Clause 3.1.2 mentions about Harmonized standard, please reply with explanations.

Regards,
SARAVANAN,
KOREA
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