Re: [MW:22579] Re: Material Certificate EN 10204-3.2 without TPI Witness

I think the discussion is going to parts which is not the intention. Client will specify what test are required to be tested.

Rgds
Prakash. G.
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From: Afshin Rahmati Sent: Monday, 15 December 2014 13:25 To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com Reply To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MW:22577] Re: Material Certificate EN 10204-3.2 without TPI Witness

Dear Dr. Georgios,

You are right, standard is applicable for metal parts. But in equipment manufacturer supply metals too. For example shaft of pump, when the customer ask for 3.2 certificate does it mean that material certificate of 3.2 for metal parts like shaft to be included in inspection book?

If yes, what is the procedure? Manufacturers buy raw material for shaft with 3.1 certificate and then in their workshop they do machining to produce shaft. Then the inspector see 3.1 certificate and will approve it to have 3.2 ?? or there is another procedure to have material certificate of 3.2 for metal parts? or since this is equipment it is not applicable to have any material certificate for parts like shaft?

Thanks for your reply,

Regards,

Afshin

On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:23:48 AM UTC+3:30, George Dilintas wrote:

EN 10204 is applicable to metallic parts, not to equipment.
Therefore a certificate according to this standard can not cover operational or functional aspects of a pump. motor, valve etc
Please read carefully the scope of application of EN 10204

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Dick Overkleeft ---14/12/2014 16:10:48---Dear Afhin, you are correct.Normally the inspecteren is this party  and independent from the manufac

From: Dick Overkleeft <dick.ov...@gmail.com>
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Date: 14/12/2014 16:10
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Dear Afhin, you are correct.Normally the inspecteren is this party  and independent from the manufacturer.  You have  to  make sure  if all  parts  have te be delivered,  with the in won certificaten,  issues by their own manufacturer. For example,  pump and motor, etc.
The cliënt  specification,  might  indicate  with third party is tot be used.
Best regards,
DICK Overkleeft 

Op 14 dec. 2014 10:30 schreef "Afshin" <ar.mermco@gmail.com>:

Dear All,

I have a question about difference between material certificate and inspection certificate both grade 3.2, I am doing business in the field of pump and my customer asked for inspection certificate type 10204 3.2, but pump package includes motor, pump, base plate, coupling and etc. I think inspection certificate means presence of inspector during performance test and declare that package manufactured based on project specification and order.

Regards,
Afshin 

On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:49:56 PM UTC+3:30, BK wrote:

Dear Experts

As per project Specification the Material Certificate requirement for primary structural steel (S355 G8 M) is EN 10204-3.2. 

We received Mill Certificates along with material and in that it is mentioned "Certificate as per EN 10204-3.2" but the Third Part Inspector from Client and Third Party Inspector from EPC contractor REVIEWED and STAMPED at manufacturer's location. And no any evident on Mill Certificate that the tests were witnessed by any third party inspector, but it is stated 3.2 Certificate.
 
By Definition of 3.2 Certificate Third Party Inspector shall have witnessed the tests stated in the certificate. 

Please clarify the following:

1. Is it acceptable 3.2 certificates without Third Party Inspector WITNESS ? 

2. On what basis manufacturer declaring 3.2 ?

3. Is it acceptable if manufacturer declared 3.2  without showing any evidence. 

Regards
BK 

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