Skip to main content

Re: [MW:14915] EN 10204 - 3.2 Certificate for Assembled product

By Materials & Welding
Dear Sevak,
Part 4.2 of EN10204:2004 says:
It shall be permissible for the manufacturer to transfer on to the inspection certificate 3.2 relevant test results obtained by specific inspection on primary or incoming products he uses, provided that the manufacturer operates traceability producers and can provide the corresponding ispection documents required.
 
From the above part and also "incoming products he uses" I think this standard will not be limited to raw materials. In case of raw materials what do you think about "incoming products"?


 
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, sevak hiren <hirensevak80@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people think that EN 10204 only covers the type of inspection reports.
 
But they overlook that it is only valid for metallic products/materials and the corresponding manufactures of these materials. Please read EN 10204 again and have a look on the definitions of manufacturer and material.
 
EN 10204 is only applicable for metallic products. A metallic product is not a valve / any assembled product, but - as written in EN 10204 - metal sheets, bars, forgings and castings. EN 10204 can also be used for non-metallic products but it is in any case related to raw materials only.
 
 
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shashank Vagal <nach_sam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gents,
In case of assembled products an MDR from the manufacturer incorporating MTCs for components used can be the acceptable mode of certification.
Best regards,
Shashank Vagal

--- On Wed, 18/7/12, meisam shokri arfaei <meisamshokri@gmail.com> wrote:

From: meisam shokri arfaei <meisamshokri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MW:14890] EN 10204 - 3.2 Certificate for Assembled product
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 18 July, 2012, 5:30 PM


Dear Sevak
I don't know why you think so, but basically certificate type 3.2 can be use for both row materials and assembled products. Please have a look on part 4.2 of the EN 10204-2004. There mentioned that manufacturer can uses the test results in the 3.2 certificate of his row material directly (without any new test) in the 3.2 certificate of his product.
 
Regards

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:05 AM, sevak hiren <hirensevak80@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Experts,
 
EN 10204 Type 3.2 Certificate is applicable to non-metalic & metalic products like plates, sheets, bars, forgings, castings etc. (Applicable to raw material products only)
 
So, this type of certificate can not be issued for complete assembled products like Valve, Pump, any machine etc.
 
Please let me know your views.

--
To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.



--
M. Shokri Arfaei
International Welding Engineer (IWE)
ASNT NDT Level III
ERI Metallurgy Lab. Manager
Tel: +98-21-66282127
Fax: +98-21-66282779
 
Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. BeGreen!

--
To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.

--
To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.

--
To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.



--
M. Shokri Arfaei
International Welding Engineer (IWE)
ASNT NDT Level III
ERI Metallurgy Lab. Manager
Tel: +98-21-66282127
Fax: +98-21-66282779
 
Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. BeGreen!

--
To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/
The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.

Comments

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

Re: [MW:34105] SA266 GR4N 4 Cycle SPWHT

By Materials & Welding
Hi,  You are correct, Minimum refers to the one cycle for which this part will expose until final work shop PWHT. hence mill test certificate shall include this.  Max. SPWHT, refers to additional cycles of heat treatment that are reserved for future repairs during equipment lifetime.  Again, these simulated no. Of cycles shall be specified in MTC.  The idea is we need to make sure that steel mechanical properties are not compromised upon exposure to multiple repairs (i e 4 cycles in your case).  One could say, if steel is subjected to 4 cycles and is ok, then it should by defacto be good for one cycle, yet, this is wrong assumption cause mechanical problems and microstructure of materials varies accordingly based on no. Of cycles for which material will expose. This is apparent in alloy steel and especially for impact test values as an example.  In your case, this forged CS with properties before PWHT can be understood to be " as forged" condition (i.e. Wit...
Post a Comment
Read more

Heat tint (temper) colours on stainless steel surfaces heated in air // Heat tint

By Materials & Welding
Introduction The colour formed when stainless steel is heated, either in a furnace application or in the heat affected zone of welds, is dependent on several factors that are related to the oxidation resistance of the steel. The heat tint or temper colour formed is caused by the progressive thickening of the surface oxide layer and so, as temperature is increased, the colours change.   Oxidation resistance of stainless steels However, there are several factors that affect the degree of colour change and so there is no a single table of colour and temperature that represents all cases. The colours formed can only be used as an indication of the temperature to which the steel has been heated. Factors affecting the heat tint colours formed Steel composition The chromium content is the most important single factor affecting oxidation resistance. The higher the chromium, the more heat resistant the steel and so the development of the heat tint colou...
Post a Comment
Read more

Materails FAQs

By Materials & Welding
Q: What are equivalents for standard Q 235 B (and Q 235 A) for U-channels? (asked by: boris.vielhaber@vait.com) A: DIN Nr. = 2393 T.2, 2394 T.2, EN 10025 W. Nr. DIN 17007 = 1.0038 Design DIN 17006 = RSt 37-2, S235JRG2 (Fe 360 B) Q: What is St DIN 2391 BK material? (asked by: dmcandrews@automaticstamp.com) A: Precision steel tubes, cold-finished/hard. Q: What is C.D.W. Boiler Tube? (asked by: montydude123@yahoo.com) A: Cold Drawn Welded Boiler Tube. Q: WHAT IS W.Nr. 1.4301? PLS TELL US IN EASY LANGUAGUE (asked...
21 comments
Read more