Saturday, January 3, 2015

RE: [MW:22674] Re: Comparision of UT & RT ( Justifying UT )

Hi Vikas,
 
In ASME or in other design and construction codes, the volumetric NDE criteria is based on RT. The issues are as follows:-
  • RT at any point of time can cover more areas for volumetric inspection than Conventional Pulse Echo UT
  • RT reports (together with films) can be well documented  and preserved for future recordkeeping.
  • Same is not possible for conventional UT as , one gets only the report ( kind of a go no go scenario)
Modern digitized UT techniques e.g PAUT or TOFD are accepted in lieu of UT, under specific code cases( see the attachment).
 
Hydro turbines do not follow any BPV codes.Hence it very difficult to quantify the specific technique and it's acceptance criteria. However given a choice:-
 
  1. Use RT wherever possible,  the as stated above
  2. RT may be replaced by PAUT or TOFD.
  3. If the product is turbine runners  Pulse Echo UT will  just  be  a black-hole. One may not get the back wall echo due curvature causing mode conversion. PAUT/TOFD would be lot beneficial for such welds.
Note:- In addition to the preferred  NDE technique one has to specify the acceptance criteria.  Which design code one should follow????
 
These are some of the points worth considering.
 
Thanks.
 
Pradip Goswami, P.Eng,IWE
Welding & Metallurgical Specialist
Ontario, Canada
 


From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Denney
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 5:52 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [MW:22673] Re: Comparision of UT & RT ( Justifying UT )

In radiography there has to be a difference in the material along the path of the beam for a defect to show up. If the beam aligns with the lack of fusion then it should be apparent, but normally the beam is not aligned along the defect. For example if you are welding with a 60 degree bevel and the lack of fusion is on the bevel surface the beam, which is aligned perpendicular to the surface will see no path or density difference in the material and hence it will not be registered on the radiograph.

 

From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kannayeram Gnanapandithan
Sent: 02 January 2015 09:09
To: materials-welding
Subject: Re: [MW:22670] Re: Comparision of UT & RT ( Justifying UT )

 

How comfort in RT to detect Planer defect like Incomplete Fusion?? compare with UT


THANKS & BEST REGARDS

KG.PANDITHAN, AWS-CWI, CSWIP 3.1

CONSULTANT-WELDING & QUALITY

 

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, MADHUSOODHANAN NAIR .G <nairdan2@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rana

    Carefully read below mentioned details for your information.

 

ULTRASONIC TESTING

 

UT is used to locate surface and sub surface defects in many materials plastics and wood. It is also used to measure the thickness of the materials

 

ADVANTAGES OF UT

1.       It is sensitive to both surface and sub surface discontinuities.

2.       The depth of penetration for flaw detection is superior to other NDT method.

3.       Only single sided access is needed when the pulse –echo technique is used.

4.       It is high accuracy in determining and estimating size and shape.

5.       Fast result and very sensitive to planar type discontinuity.

6.       Applicable for thick materials

DISADVANTAGES OF UT

1.       Surface  must be accessible to transmit ultrasound

2.       Skill and training is more extensive than with other methods.

3.       It normally requires a coupling medium ( except LR UT) to promote transfer of sound energy into the test specimen.

4.       Materials that are rough irregular in shape very small, exceptionally, thin or not homogeneous are difficult to inspect.

5.        Cast iron and other course grained materials are difficult to inspect due to low sound transmission and high signal noise.

6.       Linear defects oriented parallel to the sound beam may go undetected.

7.       Reference standards are required for both equipment calibration and characterization of flaws.

8.       Not capable of detecting defect whose plane is parallel to the direction of sound beam.

RADIOGRAPHY TESTING

 

The radiation used in radiography testing is a higher energy version of the electromagnetic waves .The radiation can come from an X-Ray generator or a radioactive source.

 

ADVANTAGES OF RT

1.       Used to inspect almost any material for surface and sub surface defects.

2.       It can also be used to locates and measures internal features, confirm the location of hidden parts in an assembly.

3.       Ability to inspect complex shapes and multi-layered structures without disassembly.

4.       Minimum part preparation is required.

5.       Capable of exposing fabrication errors at different stages of fabrication

DISADVANTAGES OF RT

1.       Extensive operator training and skill required.

2.       Access to both sides of the structure is usually required.

3.       Orientation of radiation beam to non volumetric defects is critical.

4.       Higher thickness radiography can be time consuming.

5.       High experience need to proper interpretation of results.

6.       Time consuming for result.

7.       RT film is a permanent record of testing in the form of hard report.

8.       Two dimensional image of defect is much easier and clear to interpret.

9.        Job temperature should not exceed 60Deg .

10.   Film is very sensitive to temperature, pressure and humidity.

Regards

Madhusoodhanan Nair.G

09967901872

Sr Inspector (VCS Quality Services Pvt Ltd,Mumbai)

 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Parth Hingu <hingu.parth@gmail.com> wrote:

Pls explain in brief about Acceptance criteria comparison for RT,UT, PT (Casting/ Forging) as per ASME, EN,ASTM standards?

On Friday, July 4, 2008 12:23:26 PM UTC+5:30, vhr...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear All,

 

We awared Hydro power project. There is specifically requirments of NDT method RT for all weld joint ( i.e for all class of joint ).

 

We never used RT in normal practice for all project. Now for convince to client We required comparision sheet between RT & UT to justifying UT is better than RT.

 

Request to send Comparision of RT & UT. Please send comparision & revert back soon. We have to submitt QAP urgentely.

 

 

Regards,

 

Vikas Rana

 

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