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From: John Henning
Sent: 27/04/2012, 6:42 pm
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:14158] RE: 14154] PWHT OF P 91 ALLOY STEEL MATERIAL.
Stress corrosion cracking has been noted in as welded 91 material when
it has been wetted. The concern is that the welds may have dew
formation, or in some way be exposed to water. 91 in the as welded
condition should be held indoors in temperature and/ humidity controlled
conditions. An alternative is to keep in indoor storage but with the
welded material maintained at a temperature above the expected dew point
(by electric resistance pads most likely). The seven day thing is bit
arbitrary and my personal take is that it is just to make sure that PWHT
is performed in a timely manner. My experience with large amounts of
welded 91 is that there has been no cracking even after extended time (a
couple of months) in the as welded condition but we hold all as welded
91 in climate controlled conditions. I have not seen any empirical
evidence that 7 days, 14 days, or 30 days makes any difference provided
storage conditions are appropriate.
Note that function of the preheating and post heating you are doing is
to prevent hydrogen assisted cracking. The preheat and post heat allow
hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Entirely different worry than
SCC in the presence of water.
Also note that any water; pure or otherwise has been demonstrated to
allow SCC in as welded 91 and it only needs be a film of water.
John A. Henning
Welding & Materials
From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
[mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of manoj john
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:24 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:14154] PWHT OF P 91 ALLOY STEEL MATERIAL.
Dear All,
We are going to do P91 piping fabrication, as per client
specification the stroage time after welding is limited to maximum 7
days for PWHT. Is there any problem if it delays 10 days when we are
following preheating procedure for welding as mentioned below:
Preheat at 200 degree C. Min. 300 degree C. Max.
Inter pass temperature 250 to 300 degree C.
Cooling 20 to 80 degree C. after wleding
Post heating (extended heating) after cooling 300 degree C.
for four hours or 400 degree C. for three hours.
Thanks in advance for your response.\
Manoj.
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From: John Henning
Sent: 27/04/2012, 6:42 pm
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:14158] RE: 14154] PWHT OF P 91 ALLOY STEEL MATERIAL.
Stress corrosion cracking has been noted in as welded 91 material when
it has been wetted. The concern is that the welds may have dew
formation, or in some way be exposed to water. 91 in the as welded
condition should be held indoors in temperature and/ humidity controlled
conditions. An alternative is to keep in indoor storage but with the
welded material maintained at a temperature above the expected dew point
(by electric resistance pads most likely). The seven day thing is bit
arbitrary and my personal take is that it is just to make sure that PWHT
is performed in a timely manner. My experience with large amounts of
welded 91 is that there has been no cracking even after extended time (a
couple of months) in the as welded condition but we hold all as welded
91 in climate controlled conditions. I have not seen any empirical
evidence that 7 days, 14 days, or 30 days makes any difference provided
storage conditions are appropriate.
Note that function of the preheating and post heating you are doing is
to prevent hydrogen assisted cracking. The preheat and post heat allow
hydrogen to diffuse out of the material. Entirely different worry than
SCC in the presence of water.
Also note that any water; pure or otherwise has been demonstrated to
allow SCC in as welded 91 and it only needs be a film of water.
John A. Henning
Welding & Materials
From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
[mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of manoj john
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:24 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:14154] PWHT OF P 91 ALLOY STEEL MATERIAL.
Dear All,
We are going to do P91 piping fabrication, as per client
specification the stroage time after welding is limited to maximum 7
days for PWHT. Is there any problem if it delays 10 days when we are
following preheating procedure for welding as mentioned below:
Preheat at 200 degree C. Min. 300 degree C. Max.
Inter pass temperature 250 to 300 degree C.
Cooling 20 to 80 degree C. after wleding
Post heating (extended heating) after cooling 300 degree C.
for four hours or 400 degree C. for three hours.
Thanks in advance for your response.\
Manoj.
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