Wednesday, February 27, 2019

Re: Re: [MW:29161] RE: 28982] Backing gas as per API RP 582

Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:39:48 +0300
From: "muneebslsa@gmail.com" <muneebslsa@gmail.com>
To: materials-welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [MW:28543] Fw: Fw: Back Purging for fillet welds
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t=3DUTF-8"><style>body { line-height: 1.5; }blockquote { margin-top: 0px; =
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y>=0A<div>But it has been brought into subject that for MIC failures at ca=
pital projects, this is also an one of the rootcase, regardless of layup i=
ssues.</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"text-align: justify;">Its l=
ike they have confirmed that by their through thorough investigation, that=
the cause of the leakages were&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"text-align: jus=
tify;"><u>pin-hole</u></span><span style=3D"text-align: justify;">s in sev=
eral&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"text-align: justify;">welds.&nbsp;</span><=
span style=3D"text-align: justify;">Materials Specialist concluded that&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"text-align: justify;"><u>Microbiologically Influe=
nced Corrosion (MIC)&nbsp;</u></span><span style=3D"text-align: justify;">=
<u>exists</u>&nbsp;&nbsp;in 2 inch and in a 10 inch austenitic stainless s=
teel pipe on the ...... project.</span></div><div><span style=3D"text-alig=
n: justify;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"text-align: justify;">My=
question is that because of not purging fillet welds on SS, a PIN HOLE oc=
cured and thus MIC exists?</span></div><div><span style=3D"text-align: jus=
tify;"><br></span></div><div style=3D"text-align: justify;">If this is the=
case then last 1000 years of fillet welds on Ferrous (P8) and all non fer=
rous to be scrutinized.</div><div style=3D"text-align: justify;"><br></div=
><div style=3D"text-align: justify;">Regards,</div><div style=3D"text-alig=
n: justify;">Muneeb.M</div>=0A<div><br></div><hr style=3D"width: 210px; he=
ight: 1px;" color=3D"#b5c4df" size=3D"1" align=3D"left">=0A<div><span><div=
style=3D"MARGIN: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><div style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; line-height: 24px;"><br></div><=
/div></span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0.5em;"><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border:none;borde=
r-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style=3D"PADDING=
-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; FONT-SIZE: 12px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma;COLOR:#=
000000; BACKGROUND: #efefef; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px"><div><=
b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:kgpandithan@gmail.com">Kannayeram Gnana=
pandithan</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2018-11-01&nbsp;08:43</div><div>=
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com">mate=
rials-welding</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [MW:28543] Fw: Fw: Ba=
ck Purging for fillet welds</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"FoxDiv2018=
1105173400624982"><div dir=3D"ltr">not require for fillet weld.<br clear=
=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D=
"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">THANKS &amp; BEST REGARDS=
,<div>KG.PANDITHAN, BE, IWE,&nbsp; CSWIP 3.1,</div><div>ASNT-Level II in P=
T,MT,RT &amp; UT.</div><div>International Welding Engineer.&nbsp;</div><di=
v>CONSULTANT-WELDING &amp; QUALITY</div><div>Mobile no: +919940739349</div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at =
9:24 AM <a href=3D"mailto:muneebslsa@gmail.com">muneebslsa@gmail.com</a> &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muneebslsa@gmail.com">muneebslsa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); b=
order-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>=0A<div><span></span>Gre=
etings Experts,</div><div><br></div><div>Please go through the trailing ma=
il and advise, this is a debate between i and owner representative when i =
was in contractor for the requirement of back purging for fillet welds, in=
this case i just need your opinion.</div><div><br></div><div>I have delet=
ed the replies from owner representative as i feel its confidential and yo=
u will find only my writings for the subject.</div><div><br></div><div>Ple=
ase advise.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Mun=
eeb.</div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin=
-left: 0.5em;"><div class=3D"m_2327560039458146408FoxDiv201811010359398618=
42"><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left:=
0.5em;"><div><br></div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df=
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT:8px;PADDING-=
LEFT:8px;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma;COLOR:#000000;BACKGROUND:#efefe=
f;PADDING-BOTTOM:8px;PADDING-TOP:8px"><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: RE: Ba=
ck Purging for fillet welds</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"m_23275600=
39458146408FoxDiv20180306223849204411">=0A<div><span></span><div>Greetings=
,</div><div><br></div><div>We requested this below butt weld joint for RT,=
which is stainless material including the wear pad, p<span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;line-height:1.5;background-color:window">lease find the RT film =
which is accepted with NSD by QCS RTFI.</span></div><div><br></div><div>He=
nce concluding that no oxidation / doubtful inclusions or doubtful debris =
found, regardless to back purging for fillet weld which is non requirement=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, some of the non releavent standards code=
s has been referred below for your just reference for the acceptable level=
of heat tints / oxidation / discoloration.</div><div><br></div><div>I con=
clude our all the wearpad cases either has no oxidations as per below film=
or acceptable level of oxidation as radiography is accepted.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@5=
b202481-add7-562d-d183-e8549a66a21f" border=3D"0" width=3D"618.5" height=
=3D"188.5"></div><div><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@1f3b10a8-a4a6-5295-7a11-c=
8c099702ead" border=3D"0" width=3D"553.5" height=3D"233"></div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#ff0000"><b><u>FOR YOUR REFERENCE O=
NLY:</u></b></font></div><div><u style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"=
>NORSOK standard M-601</u></div><div>Regarding Discolaration / Heat tint i=
ssues, below are some acceptable oxidation of weld in stainless steel, whi=
ch is NORSOK standard M-601.</div><div><br></div><div>But, still they have=
shown for butt welds only not for fillet welds, so basically when it come=
s to fillet welds can be acceptable as there is no through and through but=
t welding, but just a corner fillet welds. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div=
><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@048dd524-67df-52a1-2467-496fbfe9d723" border=
=3D"0" width=3D"486" height=3D"640"><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@4e13d330-09=
e8-f93d-cc5f-cdfe60c3efa7" border=3D"0" width=3D"640" height=3D"580" style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5;background-color:window"></div><div><im=
g src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@e332f96b-e2a1-e5ed-adbd-0ff311635223" border=3D"0"=
width=3D"640" height=3D"390.5"><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@ccc7fb6a-88ee-2=
04f-dccc-7aae725b90a7" border=3D"0" width=3D"442" height=3D"640" style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5;background-color:window"></div><div><u styl=
e=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">AWS D 18.2</u></div><div>Again when =
collecting information i found some other codes, AWS D 18.2,&nbsp;<span st=
yle=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5">Guid=
e&nbsp;to&nbsp;Weld&nbsp;Discoloration&nbsp;Levels&nbsp;on&nbsp;</span><sp=
an style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5"=
>Inside&nbsp;of&nbsp;Austenitic&nbsp;Stainless&nbsp;Steel&nbsp;Tube which =
is (</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:12pt;li=
ne-height:1.5">discoloration&nbsp;(heat-tint)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5">criteria for=
sanitary&nbsp;(hygienic)&nbsp;welds&nbsp;in&nbsp;austenitic&nbsp;stainles=
s&nbsp;steel&nbsp;tube, but as this is sanitary again i coudnt take this i=
s as references, just for your information.</span></div><div><br></div><di=
v><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@613769ac-a254-851d-cb1c-8c863bf88eb4" border=
=3D"0" width=3D"548.5" height=3D"289.5"></div><div><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5"><br></span></div><d=
iv><img src=3D"cid:_Foxmail.1@860763d1-80b8-75f1-fcae-8b39ea221b77" border=
=3D"0" width=3D"575" height=3D"292.5"></div><div><br></div></div>=0A<div><=
br></div><div><span><div style=3D"MARGIN:10px;FONT-FAMILY:verdana;FONT-SIZ=
E:10pt"><p class=3D"m_2327560039458146408MsoSubtitle" align=3D"left" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0cm;font-size:12pt;line-height:24px;font-family:Cambria,ser=
if"><strong><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:'Agency FB',sans-ser=
if">&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:15px">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><u style=3D"font-size:15px">____=
_____________<u></u><u></u></u></span></strong></p><p class=3D"m_232756003=
9458146408MsoSubtitle" align=3D"left" style=3D"margin:0px 0cm;font-family:=
Cambria,serif;font-size:15px"><strong><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-f=
amily:'Agency FB',sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;MOHAMED&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MUNEEB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MAHABOOB<u></=
u><u></u></span></strong></p><p class=3D"m_2327560039458146408MsoSubtitle"=
align=3D"left" style=3D"margin:0px 0cm;font-family:Cambria,serif;font-siz=
e:15px"><br></p></div></span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em;"><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"=
border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div=
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT:8px;PADDING-LEFT:8px;FONT-SIZE:12px;FONT-FAMILY:ta=
homa;COLOR:#000000;BACKGROUND:#efefef;PADDING-BOTTOM:8px;PADDING-TOP:8px">=
<div><br></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2017-05-13&nbsp;20:11</div><div><br>=
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"m_2327560039458146408FoxDiv2017051615=
0548321416"><div class=3D"m_2327560039458146408WordSection1">=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times N=
ew Roman',serif"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">=0A<b>Sent:</b> Saturd=
ay, May 13, 2017 6:10 AM<br><br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> Re: Back Purging for fi=
llet welds<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbs=
p;<u></u></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34=
);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:18pt;backgroun=
d-color:window">Gentlemen,</span></p><div><div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family=
:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222">Good Morning,<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18=
pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></=
u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New =
Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#222222">Practically, when it comes to long pipes and if we have to pu=
rge entire pipe, then the volume of purge according to pipe length might b=
e huge, at the=0A same time for current subject, CSD has&nbsp;<u>recommend=
ed</u>&nbsp;for back purge to avoid heat tint issues regardless to any ref=
erences or failure analysis / case studies. But still it is from CSD.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"li=
ne-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'=
,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
22222"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family=
:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:#222222">But let us be clear in the requirements, this is =
just for wear pad or any other more requirements in future (Materials &amp=
; Types of configurations)?&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">We=0A hope, these amendments will be =
revised in future standards.</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<di=
v>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-=
size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span><=
/p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;ma=
rgin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Anyhow i lea=
ve this to my management upon their final decision.</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#222222"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-=
height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',se=
rif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times N=
ew Roman',serif">Note:<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">ASME SECTION IX:&nbsp;QG-109&nbsp;DEFINIT=
IONS,&nbsp;QG-109.1&nbsp;GENERAL<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">backing&nbsp;gas:&nbsp;a&nbsp;ga=
s,&nbsp;such&nbsp;as&nbsp;argon,&nbsp;helium,&nbsp;nitrogen,&nbsp;or&nbsp;=
reactive&nbsp;gas,&nbsp;which&nbsp;is&nbsp;employed&nbsp;to&nbsp;<u>exclud=
e&nbsp;oxygen&nbsp;from&nbsp;the&nbsp;<span style=3D"background:#99cc00">r=
oot&nbsp;side&nbsp;(opposite&nbsp;from&nbsp;the&nbsp;welding&nbsp;side)</s=
pan>&nbsp;of&nbsp;weld&nbsp;joints</u>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in=
;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></sp=
an></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18p=
t;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span=
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">API RP 5=
82, PARA 7.5<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Whe=
never&nbsp;a&nbsp;back&nbsp;purging&nbsp;gas&nbsp;is&nbsp;selected&nbsp;to=
&nbsp;prevent&nbsp;oxidation&nbsp;or&nbsp;scale&nbsp;formation&nbsp;on&nbs=
p;the&nbsp;<span style=3D"background:#99cc00">underside&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&n=
bsp;weld</span>,&nbsp;the&nbsp;purge&nbsp;shall&nbsp;be&nbsp;maintained&nb=
sp;until&nbsp;at&nbsp;least&nbsp;1/4&nbsp;in.&nbsp;(6.3&nbsp;mm)&nbsp;<spa=
n style=3D"background:#99cc00">depth&nbsp;of&nbsp;weld&nbsp;metal</span>&n=
bsp;has&nbsp;been&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">deposited.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>=0A</=
div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12=
pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>=0A</div>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>=0A<d=
iv>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:'Times New Roman',serif">On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:09 PM,&nbsp;</p><=
blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color:=
rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; mar=
gin: 0px 0in 0px 0.5em;"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">=0A<b>Sent:</b> W=
ednesday, May 10, 2017 4:54 PM<br><br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> Re: Back Purging =
for fillet welds</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Rom=
an',serif">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;line-height:1.5;background-color:window">Noted, this is=
just my interpretation from code requirements which does not have any pre=
cautionary advice even for corrosion for fillet welds.</span></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></p>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"=
>&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">As =
this is cost effective, i have to be pro-active on these requirements.<u><=
/u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nbsp;<u></u><u=
></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px 0i=
n;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Anyhow, we will wait=
for CSD reply.<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',ser=
if">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">T=
hanks.<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nb=
sp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Regards,=
<u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nbsp;<u></=
u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Mohamed Muneeb.<=
u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nb=
sp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0px=
0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Wed, May 10, 2=
017 at 8:44 PM,&nbsp;</p><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none=
solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; pad=
ding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 0px 0in 0px 0.5em;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',se=
rif"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',s=
erif"><a name=3D"m_2327560039458146408_m_-6868899188946759020_m_-849552951=
65043"></a><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 10, 2=
017 3:21 PM<br>=0A<b>To:</b><br>=0A<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;<br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> =
Back Purging for fillet welds</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'=
,serif">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style=3D=
"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:18pt;background=
-color:window">Greetings,</span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times=
New Roman',serif"><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:=
'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This is with regards to our d=
iscussion for fillet welds purging requirement.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"lin=
e-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',=
serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black">This email is not to argue or debate, but just to ensure as per sta=
ndards / codes requirement and practical understanding of different interp=
retations and to finalize the precise requirement.</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;marg=
in:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"li=
ne-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'=
,serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:black;background:white">As referred, AWS D1.2, D1.6 &amp; D10.6 does not =
have any such requirements purging fillet welds and also SAES-W-011</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nb=
sp;itself=0A clearly saying,&nbsp;<u>single sided groove welds</u>&nbsp;wh=
ich&nbsp;is not fillet weld, continued to ASME SEC - 2 PART C with AWS D 1=
0.11 also saying the same (open root groove / full penetration joint).</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"l=
ine-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman=
',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-fami=
ly:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">Moreover, i have copied structural WPS as per =
AWS D1.6 for your reference, which does not have any back purging requirem=
ent for fillet welds and it is approved WPS.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</=
div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px=
0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif=
">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
">Please refer below &amp; advise your opinion on this subject.</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-hei=
ght:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif=
">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Tim=
es New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black">Thanks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<b><u><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black;background:yellow">SAES-W-011</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<u><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">11.14&nbs=
p;Back&nbsp;purging</span></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black"><br>=0A11.14.1&nbsp;An&nbsp;inert&nbsp;backing&=
nbsp;gas&nbsp;shall&nbsp;be&nbsp;used&nbsp;for&nbsp;GTAW&nbsp;or&nbsp;GMAW=
&nbsp;root&nbsp;passes&nbsp;on&nbsp;</span><u><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:red">single-sided&nbsp;groove&nbsp;wel=
ds</span></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">&nbsp;for&nbsp;materials&nbsp;of&nbsp;ASME&nbsp;P-No.&nbsp;5&nbs=
p;and&nbsp;higher.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A=
<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<b><u><span style=3D"=
font-size:14.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black;ba=
ckground:yellow">ASME SEC-2 PART C</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</di=
v>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0=
in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<u><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Annex</span></=
u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><=
br>=0A<u>Guide&nbsp;to&nbsp;AWS&nbsp;Specification&nbsp;for&nbsp;Consumabl=
e&nbsp;Inserts</u><br>=0A<u>(This&nbsp;Annex&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;a&nbsp;=
part&nbsp;of&nbsp;AWS&nbsp;A5.30/A5.30M:2007,&nbsp;Specification&nbsp;for&=
nbsp;Consumable&nbsp;Inserts,&nbsp;but&nbsp;is&nbsp;<b>included&nbsp;for&n=
bsp;information&nbsp;purposes&nbsp;only.</b>)</u></span><u></u><u></u></p>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<b><u><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">A6.2&n=
bsp;Purging.</span></u></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:red">To&nbsp;provide&nbsp;welded&nbsp;piping=
&nbsp;systems&nbsp;with<br>=0Athe&nbsp;integrity&nbsp;required&nbsp;by&nbs=
p;some&nbsp;piping&nbsp;codes,&nbsp;the&nbsp;weld&nbsp;joint<br>=0Amust&nb=
sp;be&nbsp;a&nbsp;full&nbsp;penetration&nbsp;joint&nbsp;with&nbsp;weld&nbs=
p;metal&nbsp;of&nbsp;consistently<br>=0Agood&nbsp;quality</span></u><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:red">.</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;=
One&nbsp;method&nbsp;of&nbsp;obtaining&nbsp;this&nbsp;high&nbsp;level<br>=
=0Aof&nbsp;quality&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;use&nbsp;of&nbsp;preplaced&nbsp;c=
onsumable&nbsp;inserts&nbsp;in<br>=0Aconjunction&nbsp;with&nbsp;a&nbsp;spe=
cific&nbsp;joint&nbsp;configuration&nbsp;together<br>=0Awith&nbsp;a&nbsp;s=
uitable&nbsp;protective&nbsp;gas&nbsp;back&nbsp;purge.&nbsp;The&nbsp;gas&n=
bsp;tungsten<br>=0Aarc&nbsp;welding&nbsp;process,&nbsp;either&nbsp;manual&=
nbsp;or&nbsp;automatic,&nbsp;generally<br>=0Ais&nbsp;used&nbsp;to&nbsp;con=
sume&nbsp;or&nbsp;fuse&nbsp;the&nbsp;consumable&nbsp;insert.&nbsp;</span><=
u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:red">Thi=
s<br>=0Amethod&nbsp;is&nbsp;particularly&nbsp;adaptable&nbsp;to&nbsp;<b>co=
nditions&nbsp;encountered<br>=0Ain&nbsp;pipe&nbsp;welding&nbsp;but&nbsp;al=
so&nbsp;may&nbsp;be&nbsp;applied&nbsp;to&nbsp;flat&nbsp;plate&nbsp;type<br=
>=0Ajoints.</b>&nbsp;The&nbsp;<b>main&nbsp;consideration&nbsp;is&nbsp;that=
&nbsp;a&nbsp;full&nbsp;penetration<br>=0Agroove&nbsp;weld&nbsp;is&nbsp;req=
uired</b>&nbsp;when&nbsp;the&nbsp;accessibility&nbsp;is&nbsp;limited<br>=
=0Ato&nbsp;one&nbsp;side&nbsp;or&nbsp;when&nbsp;the&nbsp;reverse&nbsp;side=
&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;joints&nbsp;is&nbsp;inaccessible<br>=0Afor&nbsp;wel=
ding.</span></u><u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">&nbsp;</span></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black">In&nbsp;order&nbsp;to&nbsp;obtain&nbsp;a&nbs=
p;suitably&nbsp;smooth,<br>=0Auniform&nbsp;under&nbsp;side&nbsp;weld&nbsp;=
surface&nbsp;without&nbsp;crevices&nbsp;or&nbsp;oxidation,<br>=0Aa&nbsp;pu=
rge&nbsp;must&nbsp;be&nbsp;established&nbsp;using&nbsp;a&nbsp;suitable&nbs=
p;protective<br>=0Agas.&nbsp;Since&nbsp;the&nbsp;second&nbsp;and&nbsp;thir=
d&nbsp;passes&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;joint&nbsp;may<br>=0Atake&nbsp;the&nbs=
p;previously&nbsp;deposited&nbsp;consumable&nbsp;insert&nbsp;root&nbsp;pas=
s<br>=0Aabove&nbsp;the&nbsp;oxidizing&nbsp;temperature&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nb=
sp;base&nbsp;and&nbsp;filler&nbsp;metal,<br>=0Ait&nbsp;may&nbsp;be&nbsp;ne=
cessary&nbsp;to&nbsp;maintain&nbsp;the&nbsp;purge&nbsp;until&nbsp;three&nb=
sp;layers<br>=0Aor&nbsp;3=E2=81=8416&nbsp;in.&nbsp;(4.8&nbsp;mm)&nbsp;root=
&nbsp;thickness&nbsp;is&nbsp;obtained.</span><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><u><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:14.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black;background:yellow">AWS D 10.11</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p>=
=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margi=
n:0px 0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<u><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Recommend=
ed&nbsp;Practices&nbsp;for&nbsp;Root&nbsp;Pass&nbsp;Welding&nbsp;Of&nbsp;P=
ipe&nbsp;Without&nbsp;Backing</span></u><u></u><u></u></p>=0A</div>=0A<div=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18pt;margin:0px 0in;font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=0A<u><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">2.&nbsp;Preparations&nbsp=
;for&nbsp;Purging</span></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:black"><br>=0AThe&nbsp;highest&nbsp;quality&nbsp;root&nb=
sp;welds&nbsp;are&nbsp;obtained&nbsp;by&nbsp;using<br>=0AGTAW&nbsp;either&=
nbsp;with&nbsp;or&nbsp;without&nbsp;consumable&nbsp;inserts.&nbsp;A&nbsp;p=
urge<br>=0A(</span><u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:red">displacement&nbsp;of&nbsp;air&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;insid=
e&nbsp;surface&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;weldment<br>=0Awith&nbsp;a&nbsp;suita=
ble&nbsp;gas</span></u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:black">)&nbsp;is&nbsp;required&nbsp;for&nbsp;stainless&nbsp;a=
nd&nbsp;nonferrous<br>=0Apiping&nbsp;systems,&nbsp;except&nbsp;aluminum,&n=
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You can check the attchments, but anyhow when it comes to thinner membrane regardless of whatever the consequences might be the case for oxidation which is non occurrence when we simply imagine for fillet welds but anyhow socket welds aren't with this case of lap to lap fillets, hence a detailed study of amendment to be incorporate with through and through case studies and failure analysis stipulating clauses shall be ensured in international standards.

Anyhow now the case as per the research is chromium depletion (causing heat tints / discoloration) for thinner membranes especially for fillets, So to be conclude that there should be some detailed studies as per AWS D18.2 / NORSOK STANDARD M-601 especially for fillet welds.

At any cost don't accept the requirement unless owner is providing his clause which is already stipulated in owner's manual or international standards, the research i have ensured is from my previous owner requriement which i did not agree and the international standards which i have quoted is for open root / butt welds.

Thanks.


Regards,
MOHAMED MUNEEB MAHABOOB

 
Date: 2019-02-24 11:20
Subject: Re: [MW:29146] RE: 28982] Backing gas as per API RP 582
To be specific, as you know purging purpose in SS is mainly for shield against oxidation which took place when molten metal kiss the oxygen from atmosphere. Now when you welding a fillet weld the amount of oxidation is corresponding to the amount of heat supplied vs. encounter of molten weld metal to the atmosphere without shielding. 

A fillet weld having a configuration without any gap and zero flow of molten metal to the back side will defiantly not require any purging. Its recommended to use a optimized low heat input. I advise you although to put gas backing upto 2 mm thickness as the low heat dissipation in SS can melt through thickness during welding.

Thanks & regards
Sandeep Kumar

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 6:19:06 AM UTC+3, John Manoj wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Is back purging is required when we do fillet welding on a thin (2mm to 5mm) SS base material, for example some cleat welding or pad welding or socket welding with GTAW or SMAW process.

Expecting a reply.
Thanks,
Manoj

Dear Mr. Goswami,

In 2016 editions of API RP 582 the purging gas requirement given in subcluases (a) (b) (c) but in previous editions purging requirement given in clause 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 9:53 AM PGoswami <pgos...@quickclic.net> wrote:

Manoj,

 

SMAW never requires back purging. It's the "slag" generated by the process, which protects the weld root. This is just back to basic scenario.

Thanks.

 

P.Goswami.P.Eng, IWE.

Independent Welding & Metallurgical Specialist

Saudi Aramco: Designated Project Welding Engineer(DPWR)& Quality Management Personnel

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From: material...@googlegroups.com [mailto:material...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoj John
Sent: January 27, 2019 8:04 PM
To: material...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:28982] Backing gas as per API RP 582

 

Dear Experts,

 

As per clause 7.3 of API RP 582 Ed. 2016 back purging required for GTAW & GMAW process but no where I could found for other process like SMAW.  Is it mean that if we do welding with SMAW process back purging is not required?

 

Please share your interpretation.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Manoj.

 

 

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