Wednesday, March 28, 2012

RE: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [MW:13996] PWHT OF P91 BY INDUCTION HEATING

Hi Sandeep,
 
Service application of Grade 91 steel is  for very demanding applications, which involve extremely high design pressure and temperature.Anything wrong  associated with fabrication could cause serious harm both to plant and equipments as well as to human beings.
 
From the description provided below the intended design or application would be the main steam line for a super critical power plant, which would be designed for extremely high pressure and temperature. In as welded  condition P-91 alloys would invariably have a hardness of 350BHN or more. Upon PWHT hardness  could be reduced to any value between 240-280 HB.Many utilities restrict this hardness values to 275 HB Max .
 
From the PWHT scenario by  induction coils if the temperature difference between OD and ID is more than 80 deg C, then the I.D (wetted surface) would not be properly post weld heat treated and evenly tempered at all. The resultant hardness could be anyone's guess ?? Such a heat treatment condition would definitely not be acceptable to any client
 
AWS-D-10.10, the universally accepted standard for local PWHT in piping accepts induction heating as one of the methods for local PWHT. As per this code the  frequencies coils to be used are typically 60,480 and 9600 HZ. Higher the frequency quicker would be  the heating, but the heat would stay more on the skin (OD) and would  cause hot spots.Thus a moderate frequency for coils and a slower heating and cooling rate  from 600 deg C upwards would be desirable, along with the insulations inside the pipe to minimize heat losses.The heat treating contractor has to demonstrate that soaking temperature of 740- 760 Deg (usually recommended for P-91steel in electric utilities) is achieved both in the O.D and I.D.
 
As a due diligence , if  the  PWHT mockup could  be sectioned in the lab and  hardness gets recorded it would provide far more confidence on the PWHT method with induction heating.
 
You may find the attached article and the link below as a good resource. In the hyperlink below look at page 50, which shows the significant cross sectional variance of hardness in grade -91 alloys.Also author of the paper(Jonathan.Parker) is a well known authority on P-91 fabrication and life management and is  known to us.
 
I hope the attached information would be of good use to you.
 
Thanks.
 
 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario, Canada.

Email-pgoswami@sympatico.ca,

pgoswami@quickclic.net

 

 

  1. www.vgb.org/en/event_mqa_pres.html?dfid=23397

 


From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harish Kannepalli
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:04 PM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [MW:13986] PWHT OF P91 BY INDUCTION HEATING

Dear sandeep,
                 Please try putting coil inside the pipe also. As per code more than 60°C difference is not allowed.

2012/3/24 sandeep monody <smv.monody@gmail.com>
Dear experts,
 
In my site we conducted a demonstration of PWHT on SA335 P91 material (OD-450mm X 70mm Thk) as our clients requirement and details as given below.
 
Heating/cooilng rate;-60 deg C,Holding temparature:-760deg C and holding time:-180minutes,Heating band width:-210mm and insulation band width 630mm,Heating method :-Induction heating
 
During pwht we observed a temparature difference on outside and inside of pipe more than 80 deg C.
 
Now problem is that client is not accepting this method and asking for uniform temparature in outside and inside of pipe.
 
How can i control temparature at both sides?
Is it possible a uniform temp on both side with induction heating?
 
Please give ur valueble advice in this matter.
 
 
Sandeep.
QC Engr

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