FW: Re: [MW:4107] Magnetism in SS 304 & 321 after welding

 

Dear Friends,

 

Mr Louis provided a nice answer to the problem. Further clarifications to this problem are as follows:-

 

·    The ferrite in question for austenitic stainless steel is delta ferrite, not alpha-ferrite (the main metallurgical phase in all ferritic steels)  

·    Delta Ferrite, to the extent of 3-8.FN (depending on the grade of austenitic S.S e.g 304/316/321/347…. ) is required in the weld metal, to prevent hot cracking. This is allowed by any boiler and pressure vessel code, such as ASME, API etc.

·    Delta Ferrite is a high temperature phase. It typically precipitates and solidifies along the grain boundary of austenite grains in the weld metal. Welds being a cast structure would definitely have some delta ferrite in  300 series of alloys (e.g. 304,316,321, 347 …. etc).  Delta Ferrite in the above amount is mandatory for austenitic S.S weld metal

·     The amount of ferrite in the weld could be measured due to residual ferromagnetism in the weld. This occurs due to presence of ferrite, which is magnetic. Usually Ferrite is measured by Ferrite Scope.

 

Base metal or weld fillers would not have residual magnetism, because they do not contain delta ferrite in the processed and finished structure. Ferrite may be formed during original casting of plates, however through subsequent thermal processing (hot rolling… etc) it almost gets converted to austenite.

 

Note this residual magnetism does not have any or significant effect to the intended services of austenitic stainless steels.

 

 

Thanks.

Pradip Goswami, P.Eng. IWE.

Senior Engineer/Specialist(Welding-Metallurgy)

Engineering & Training Services Division

ONTARIO POWER GENERATION Inc.

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Subject: FW: Re: [MW:4087] Magnetism in SS 304 & 321 after welding

 

 

 

Pradip Goswami

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From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of A D
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Hi Sunnel, In Austenitic stainless steel welding one of the susceptibility problems is hot cracking. So avoid this problem, need some delta ferrite in welding ( which is magnetism) .So consumable manufacturing is carried out based on this ferrite requirement. In my previous projects 3 to 8 FN requirement is given by client specification, For clear detail please refer AWS handbook - Volume 1. Louis Welding Engineer Singapore --- On Fri, 15/1/10, suneel gore <novatekcorp@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: suneel gore <novatekcorp@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [MW:4050] Magnetism in SS 304 & 321 after welding To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 10:17 AM Sir One of my customer also have faced similar problem , in case of welding SS 304 & 316  Plates , Tacking By E 316-16 Electrodes & welding by ER 316L FIller wires The welded are attracts magnet , but same on filler , or plates or on stub ends it does not Pl let us know If is it the case of residual magnetism due to DC Welding ? How it can be avoided? Pl guide us Regards Suneel Gore   --- On Thu, 14/1/10, Singh Rishi (TIPO - QA/QC) <R.Singh@Panipat.ticb.com> wrote: From: Singh Rishi (TIPO - QA/QC) <R.Singh@Panipat.ticb.com> Subject: [MW:4045] Magnetism in SS 304 & 321 after welding To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 14 January, 2010, 6:25 PM One of my friend is facing a problem, which I’m putting to the group as I’m not sure about the solution.. SS joints after welding has becoming magnetic ( Ferrite number is not a criteria for these joints) and hence attracted by magnet ( including Socket Joints )- mostly pipe to fitting joints , but his Client is doubting that they are becoming magnetic because it’s root has been welded by CS filler wire- rest passes by SS filler wire.  This , he insists is done by welder to do the job faster and save purging- as per his past experience in some Gulf project. There are some thousand of SS joints ( 304, 321 ) in his plant, which is ready. What can be done, apart from PMI & Ferrite ( on which he doesn’t have much faith as they show the reading of the Final pass ) , to convince him about the integrity of the joint without cutting/ drilling / damaging  the joint. Please share any literature which relates Magnetism to the Welding/ Ferrite percentage. Welding Processes involved are GTAW (mandatory for all root welding ) and SMAW ( for above 8mm thk ) Thanks & Best Regards,   Rishi Raj Singh -- To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/ The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.   The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. -- To post to this group, send email to materials-welding@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to materials-welding-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group's bolg at http://materials-welding.blogspot.com/ The views expressed/exchnaged in this group are members personel views and meant for educational purposes only, Users must take their own decisions w.r.t. applicable code/standard/contract documents.

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