Saturday, October 31, 2009

[MW:3572] RE: 3571] Hardfacing

E307-16 / EZ 18 9 MnMoR 3 2

E307-15 / E 18 8 Mn B 2 2

 

Greets,

 

Arjan van Vessum

 


From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vishal Mehta
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:32 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:3571] Hardfacing

 

hello all,

 

I need to know the metal composition of 42CrMo4V. Also we need to do hardfacing of this to attain 280BHn after machining. Please suggest which grade of hardfacing electrode can be used.

 

Whether stellite can work? which grade

 

regards

 

VISHAL MEHTA



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[MW:3571] Hardfacing

hello all,

I need to know the metal composition of 42CrMo4V. Also we need to do hardfacing of this to attain 280BHn after machining. Please suggest which grade of hardfacing electrode can be used.

Whether stellite can work? which grade

regards

VISHAL MEHTA



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[MW:3570] RE: 3564] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut

Hi dear

Thanks for your answer

But this is not my question according to iso 5817   we have not any short imperfection for thickness more than 3 mm.now what must I do ?

Best regards

 

From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ankit gupta
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:26 PM
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Subject: [MW:3564] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut

 

Slight intermittent undercut permitted provided

it does not form a sharp notch; depth

should not exceed @4 mm



WITH WARM REGARDS 
  ANKIT GUPTA 
    
Er@BHEL

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From: Arjan van Vessum <vess_kiwi26@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MW:3563] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:46 PM

Whats the wall tickness???
 
For criteria class C, check if h ≤0,1 t but max 0,5 mm...
If weld length is appr 100mm a 25mm discontinuity is allowed as per section 3.3 (EN ISO 5817)
 
greets,
 
Arjan van Vessum
 
 

 


Subject: [MW:3556] acceptance crerteria of undercut
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:29:49 +0330
From: Samimi@mapnagenerator.com
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com

Hi dear

Please let me know that according to iso 5817 rev: 2005 class C the undercut with 0.2mm depth and 24 mm length in Butt Weld and 100 mm length of our product is acceptable or not.if yes or no please explain exactly with detail.

 

Best regards

Alireza Samimi



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[MW:3568] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut

one classic rule of thumb,use your fingernail to feel the undercut.If it over the limit specified below(i.e unacceptable), you would feel the undercut.If not the fingernail(i.e undercut is in the acceptable range) will glide over the undercut smoothly.
 
Thanks
 
PGoswami
 

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To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:3563] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:16:36 +0100

Whats the wall tickness???
 
For criteria class C, check if h ≤0,1 t but max 0,5 mm...
If weld length is appr 100mm a 25mm discontinuity is allowed as per section 3.3 (EN ISO 5817)
 
greets,
 
Arjan van Vessum
 
 

 

Subject: [MW:3556] acceptance crerteria of undercut
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:29:49 +0330
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To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com

Hi dear

Please let me know that according to iso 5817 rev: 2005 class C the undercut with 0.2mm depth and 24 mm length in Butt Weld and 100 mm length of our product is acceptable or not.if yes or no please explain exactly with detail.

 

Best regards

Alireza Samimi



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Friday, October 30, 2009

[MW:3569] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel

Dear Folks,
 

Some notes on 17-4 PH steel are as follows:-

 

Under ideal conditions, the alloy can be best welded when fresh from the mill, and supplied in solution annealed condition. After welding with matching SMAW electrode SFA 5.4 Type 630 or matching GTAW filler metal, one would get the best properties but the weld has to be  aged to get the ASTM/ASME code specified meachanical properties.

 

Generally 17-4 PH steel (UNS 17400) is covered in ASME-Sec-II Part-A , under specification, SA564 Type 630  and by ASTM specification A693 Type 630

 

If the alloy is supplied in solution annealed and aged condition, then welding it in situ with matching 630 electrodes would not be ideal, since the alloy already would have very high strength and very low ductility (typicall 8-14% depending on aging temperature).

 

The only and the best option is to weld with Austenitic S.S electrodes, such as E-ER 308/308L or E-ER-309/309L or Nickel based electrodes such Inconel 82. Use of austenitic electrodes would produce welds of under matching strength, such as:-

  • 17-4-PH –Base metal UTS  after solution anneal and aging, ³ 140Ksi
  • 308/309L electrodes, undiluted all weld  metal UTS  ³75  Ksi
  • Inconel 82 (E-NiCrFe3) electrodes, undiluted all weld  metal UTS  ³  80 Ksi

 

 Welding recommendations, e.g. technique, control of heat input etc  are same as  for 300 series of  austenitic stainless steels.
 

 

Thanks

 

Pradip Goswami

 

Welding Engineer/Specialist

Ontario Power Generation Inc.

Ontario.

 

> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:17:45 +0700
> Subject: [MW:3554] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel
> From: maringan.hutagalung@gmail.com
> To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com; novatekcorp@yahoo.co.in
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> I am trying to recommend them to use Avesta 248 SV rutile electrode
> www.avestawelding.com/3206.epibrw
> Which I have it on our stock.
> I see that the chemicals composition and mechanical properties is only
> have a little bit different, while this type of electrode not comply
> to AWS E630
>
> @ Prem : I interest to your WPS when you apply E308L for your case,
> please send me directly a copy of it.
>
> Thanks for cooperation.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Maringan
>
> On 10/27/09, PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL <prem_nautiyal@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > We weld 17-4PH with E308L electrodes for SMAW process.
> > I will send you the complete welding procedure tomorrow if you require..
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Prem Nautiyal
> > Cell:9820313278
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:48 +0530 wrote
> >>Sir
> > If 17-4PH is it pre trated to any specfic condition as like 950, 1075 or
> > 1100, 1150 ?
> > If pre trated , then it would be best to use 312 type electrode
> > Regards
> > Suneel Gore
> >>
> >>--- On Tue, 27/10/09, Maringan Hutagalung wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>From: Maringan Hutagalung
> >>Subject: [MW:3549] Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel
> >>To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009, 12:32 PM
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>Dear all,
> >>
> >>Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
> >>a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.
> >>
> >>For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
> >>require an electrode AWS E630.
> >>
> >>Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
> >>substitute a E630 since
> >>we don't have stock of it.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance
> >>
> >>
> >>Maringan
> >>
> >>--
> >>Sent from my mobile device
> >>
> >> From cricket scores to your friends. Try the Yahoo! India Homepage!
> >
> > PREM S NAUTIYAL
> > CELL : 9820313278
> > >
> >
>
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Thursday, October 29, 2009

[MW:3567] PQR for 516 Gr60- HIC material

Dear all,

I need to make a PQR for 516 Gr 60N-HIC material for thickness ranging
from 10mm to 32mm with PWHT.
Please suggest me what additional tests are required for HIC(Hydrogen
Induced Cracking) material for the PQR along with Physical & Chemical
Tests.

Thanks in advance.

Regards.
Yusufkhan

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[MW:3566] RE: 3565] Re: 3559] CONSUMABLES

You cannot change charpy values in HAZ by other welding consumable.

Only weld cycle (t8/5), PWHT and chemical composition of basemetal effect HAZ properties.

Check if you can lower  heat-input.

What wall thickness, in which HAZ ?

 

Normally CrMo1 should be able to generate good impact values in weld metal, if

you did not have excessive dilution with 4130,

and if you do not have excessive high heat input

and correct PWHT temp and holding temp.

 

As I wrote before : the longer PWHT the higher charpy values

 

Resume

·         low heat input (thin layers),

·         CrMo1 (B2) consumable,

·         PWHT 690 X 8 hrs.

  

With kind regards,

Erwin GERING

 

Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens vipin george
Verzonden: woensdag 28 oktober 2009 17:13
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Onderwerp: [MW:3565] Re: 3559] CONSUMABLES

 

Dear Rajagopal,

I am also, requiring this procedure,i've got two failed PQR's
1)I tried to weld AISI4130 TO SA 182 F22V, with ER 80S-B2 & E8018-B2H4 It's failed in the WCL & Impact
Preheat: 260 Degree C Interpass:300 Degree C Maximum
PWHT:690 Degree , Heating & Cooling rate :150 Deg C/hr per inch thk
Holding time:90 minutes
Please advise do we have to follow mandatory appendix-31 for impact acceptance

2))I tried to weld AISI4130 TO SA 182 F22V, with ER 80S-D2 & E10018-D2 It's failed in the HAZ  & Impact @ -29 degree C
Preheat: 260 Degree C Interpass:300 Degree C Maximum
PWHT:675 Degree , Heating & Cooling rate :150 Deg C/hr per inch thk
Holding time:90 minutes

Please suggest me an other alternative consumable.I've to qualify this procedure urgently.Please anyone out there who can guide me in this

Thanks & Regards,
vipin george
Specialist services, Dubai

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, GERING, Erwin <Erwin.GERING@airliquide.com> wrote:

First idea is to use CrMo2 consumables (or CrMo1 could be solution too, depending on application / requirements)

Preheat 200 degrC

PWHT at 690 °C , however

·         PWHT temperature is depending on strength requirements 4130 and required charpy values in weld metal

·         duration is depending on wall thickness and required charpy values in weld metal

 

Stick electrodes

·         OERLIKON CROMOCORD 2 STC

·         OERLIKON OE KV3 HR

TIG rod:

·         OERLKON CARBOROD CrMo2  or

·         OERLIKON CARBOROD KV3 (=B2)

 

Erwin Gering

AIR LIQUIDE WELDING

OERLIKON_RVB_5cm.BMP

 

Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens rajagopal kannan
Verzonden: woensdag 28 oktober 2009 8:23
Aan: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [MW:3559] CONSUMABLES

 

Dear Members,

Could you please suggest me the apt consumable for GTAW and SMAW to weld SA 182 Gr. F22 cl.1 with AISI 4130?

Thanks and Best Regards,

K.Rajagopal

 

 

 

 



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Wednesday, October 28, 2009

[MW:3565] Re: 3559] CONSUMABLES

Dear Rajagopal,

I am also, requiring this procedure,i've got two failed PQR's
1)I tried to weld AISI4130 TO SA 182 F22V, with ER 80S-B2 & E8018-B2H4 It's failed in the WCL & Impact
Preheat: 260 Degree C Interpass:300 Degree C Maximum
PWHT:690 Degree , Heating & Cooling rate :150 Deg C/hr per inch thk
Holding time:90 minutes
Please advise do we have to follow mandatory appendix-31 for impact acceptance

2))I tried to weld AISI4130 TO SA 182 F22V, with ER 80S-D2 & E10018-D2 It's failed in the HAZ  & Impact @ -29 degree C
Preheat: 260 Degree C Interpass:300 Degree C Maximum
PWHT:675 Degree , Heating & Cooling rate :150 Deg C/hr per inch thk
Holding time:90 minutes

Please suggest me an other alternative consumable.I've to qualify this procedure urgently.Please anyone out there who can guide me in this

Thanks & Regards,
vipin george
Specialist services, Dubai

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:12 PM, GERING, Erwin <Erwin.GERING@airliquide.com> wrote:

First idea is to use CrMo2 consumables (or CrMo1 could be solution too, depending on application / requirements)

Preheat 200 degrC

PWHT at 690 °C , however

·         PWHT temperature is depending on strength requirements 4130 and required charpy values in weld metal

·         duration is depending on wall thickness and required charpy values in weld metal

 

Stick electrodes

·         OERLIKON CROMOCORD 2 STC

·         OERLIKON OE KV3 HR

TIG rod:

·         OERLKON CARBOROD CrMo2  or

·         OERLIKON CARBOROD KV3 (=B2)

 

Erwin Gering

AIR LIQUIDE WELDING

OERLIKON_RVB_5cm.BMP

 

Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens rajagopal kannan
Verzonden: woensdag 28 oktober 2009 8:23
Aan: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [MW:3559] CONSUMABLES

 

Dear Members,

Could you please suggest me the apt consumable for GTAW and SMAW to weld SA 182 Gr. F22 cl.1 with AISI 4130?

Thanks and Best Regards,

K.Rajagopal






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[MW:3564] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut

Slight intermittent undercut permitted provided

it does not form a sharp notch; depth
should not exceed @4 mm


WITH WARM REGARDS 
  ANKIT GUPTA 
    
Er@BHEL

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Arjan van Vessum <vess_kiwi26@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Arjan van Vessum <vess_kiwi26@hotmail.com>
Subject: [MW:3563] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:46 PM

Whats the wall tickness???
 
For criteria class C, check if h ≤0,1 t but max 0,5 mm...
If weld length is appr 100mm a 25mm discontinuity is allowed as per section 3.3 (EN ISO 5817)
 
greets,
 
Arjan van Vessum
 
 

 

Subject: [MW:3556] acceptance crerteria of undercut
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:29:49 +0330
From: Samimi@mapnagenerator.com
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com

Hi dear

Please let me know that according to iso 5817 rev: 2005 class C the undercut with 0.2mm depth and 24 mm length in Butt Weld and 100 mm length of our product is acceptable or not.if yes or no please explain exactly with detail.

 

Best regards

Alireza Samimi

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[MW:3563] Re: acceptance crerteria of undercut

Whats the wall tickness???
 
For criteria class C, check if h ≤0,1 t but max 0,5 mm...
If weld length is appr 100mm a 25mm discontinuity is allowed as per section 3.3 (EN ISO 5817)
 
greets,
 
Arjan van Vessum
 
 

 

Subject: [MW:3556] acceptance crerteria of undercut
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:29:49 +0330
From: Samimi@mapnagenerator.com
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com

Hi dear

Please let me know that according to iso 5817 rev: 2005 class C the undercut with 0.2mm depth and 24 mm length in Butt Weld and 100 mm length of our product is acceptable or not.if yes or no please explain exactly with detail.

 

Best regards

Alireza Samimi



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[MW:3562] RE: 3559] CONSUMABLES

First idea is to use CrMo2 consumables (or CrMo1 could be solution too, depending on application / requirements)

Preheat 200 degrC

PWHT at 690 °C , however

·         PWHT temperature is depending on strength requirements 4130 and required charpy values in weld metal

·         duration is depending on wall thickness and required charpy values in weld metal

 

Stick electrodes

·         OERLIKON CROMOCORD 2 STC

·         OERLIKON OE KV3 HR

TIG rod:

·         OERLKON CARBOROD CrMo2  or

·         OERLIKON CARBOROD KV3 (=B2)

 

Erwin Gering

AIR LIQUIDE WELDING

OERLIKON_RVB_5cm.BMP

 

Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens rajagopal kannan
Verzonden: woensdag 28 oktober 2009 8:23
Aan: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [MW:3559] CONSUMABLES

 

Dear Members,

Could you please suggest me the apt consumable for GTAW and SMAW to weld SA 182 Gr. F22 cl.1 with AISI 4130?

Thanks and Best Regards,

K.Rajagopal



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[MW:3561] Re: PED Recognised Third Party Organisations (RTPO)

The following are authorized for PED qualification issue:
1.Lloyd's regirstrar
2. TWI ( TWI in malaysia being nearer to your place, you can contact them)
3.TUV-nord,Germany
etc..,

Thanks !

Larsen & Toubro Limited
www.larsentoubro.com

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[MW:3560] Re: PT after root pass in SS welding

Dear Mr.Devang Naik

What is meant by hot MT ?
Is it possible for Austenitic Stainless Steels ?

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Godrej,Mumbai
Cell:9820313278

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:49:24 +0530 wrote
>Dear Mr. Syed and Mr. Prem
>

>
You may go for hot MT after root pass.
>

>
Thanks
>

>
Devang Naik
>

>
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:17 +0530 wrote
>
>
>
>
>
Hello Syed
>
>
>

>
>
>
You can very well conduct PT after Root pass while welding SS, only ensure that temp. has come below 52 degreeC.
>
>
>
We regularly conduct PT after root pass when welding SS jobs even upto 70mm thick with GTAW.
>
>
>

>
>
>
The chances of cracking after GTAW root pass is seen in thick sections of CS and LAS material i.e above 20/25mm thick OR having high restraints. Hence while welding such materials,we conduct PT after hot pass only.
>
>
>
For thin sections LPT can be done safely after root pass for CS/LAS material.
>
>
>
This is only my experience which i would like to share with you!!
>
>
>

>
>
>
Regards
>
>
>

>
>
>
Prem Nautiyal
>
>
>
Godrej, Mumbai
>
>
>
Cell:9820313278
>
>
>

>
>
>
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:12:07 +0530 wrote
>
>
>
>Recently I faced the following issue and kindly clarify my doubt. A qualified WPS for stainless steel (A312-TP304H) requires PT after root pass. After root pass, its not possible to perform PT immediately unless the temperature reduces.
>
>
>
But, in normal practice,any weld is not to be stopped before completing hot pass or 1/3rd of groove thickness. I got difficulty in following both conditions on single weld joint.
>
>
>
Based on the above different opinions, kindly suggest me the right one with details.
>
>
>

>
>
>
PREM S NAUTIYAL
>
>
>
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[MW:3559] CONSUMABLES

Dear Members,
Could you please suggest me the apt consumable for GTAW and SMAW to weld SA 182 Gr. F22 cl.1 with AISI 4130?
Thanks and Best Regards,
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[MW:3558] PED Recognised Third Party Organisations (RTPO)

Dear,

 

We are operating in NDT. Our service qualified according to SNT-TC-1A.

 

Now we are finding The Body as Recognized Third Party Organizations (RTPO) for qualification in PED projects.

 

Please let me know some this organization.

 

Best regards,

 

TRAN VAN VUONG

Deputy Technical Director

HP +84 912 262 085

Email: vuongtv@phateco.com

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Inspection Services

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[MW:3557] Re: Filler Flange!

these are used in many ways to connect FRP flanges, or even reducing
fillers, mostly in utility lines, may get some info AWWA

The PTFE Filler Flanges are used to connect flanges with raised faces
or sealing surfaces-especially those of plastic lined steel pipe-to
flat faced plastic flanges. Without filler flanges, when the bolts are
tightened on such a joint, the plastic flange will, most likely,
break. The filler flange fills the gap that lies between the OD of the
raised surface and the OD of the flange, flattening the face in
contact with the plastic flange.

Reducing Flange Fillers can be furnished for connecting pipe of two
different diameters. In such cases, the fillers have two sets of bolt
holes with one or both sets of holes tapped for studs.

On Oct 28, 8:43 am, "Bagesh" <bagesh....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recently while going through a project document of our project, I found a
> term named "FILLER FLANGE".  I would like to know the constructability and
> its usage in Piping terms.
>
> I would like to put the same on the discussion topic so that I along with
> the unknown members can go through it. I have heard its usage is for
> connecting Flat face flanges with Raised Face Flanges.
>
> Thanking You.
>
> Bagesh Kumar.
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[MW:3556] acceptance crerteria of undercut

Hi dear

Please let me know that according to iso 5817 rev: 2005 class C the undercut with 0.2mm depth and 24 mm length in Butt Weld and 100 mm length of our product is acceptable or not.if yes or no please explain exactly with detail.

 

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[MW:3555] Filler Flange!

Recently while going through a project document of our project, I found a term named “FILLER FLANGE”.  I would like to know the constructability and its usage in Piping terms.

I would like to put the same on the discussion topic so that I along with the unknown members can go through it. I have heard its usage is for connecting Flat face flanges with Raised Face Flanges.

Thanking You.

 

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009

[MW:3554] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel

Dear all,

Thanks for the replies.

I am trying to recommend them to use Avesta 248 SV rutile electrode
www.avestawelding.com/3206.epibrw
Which I have it on our stock.
I see that the chemicals composition and mechanical properties is only
have a little bit different, while this type of electrode not comply
to AWS E630

@ Prem : I interest to your WPS when you apply E308L for your case,
please send me directly a copy of it.

Thanks for cooperation.

Best regards,
Maringan

On 10/27/09, PREM SHANKARDUTT NAUTIYAL <prem_nautiyal@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> We weld 17-4PH with E308L electrodes for SMAW process.
> I will send you the complete welding procedure tomorrow if you require..
>
> Regards
>
> Prem Nautiyal
> Cell:9820313278
>
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:48 +0530 wrote
>>Sir
> If 17-4PH is it pre trated to any specfic condition as like 950, 1075 or
> 1100, 1150 ?
> If pre trated , then it would be best to use 312 type electrode
> Regards
> Suneel Gore
>>
>>--- On Tue, 27/10/09, Maringan Hutagalung wrote:
>>
>
>>From: Maringan Hutagalung
>>Subject: [MW:3549] Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel
>>To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
>>Date: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009, 12:32 PM
>>
>>
>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
>>a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.
>>
>>For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
>>require an electrode AWS E630.
>>
>>Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
>>substitute a E630 since
>>we don't have stock of it.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>Maringan
>>
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[MW:3553] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel


Hi

We weld 17-4PH with E308L electrodes for SMAW process.
I will send you the complete welding procedure tomorrow if you require..

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Cell:9820313278

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:48 +0530 wrote
>Sir
If 17-4PH is it pre trated to any specfic condition as like 950, 1075 or 1100, 1150 ?
If pre trated , then it would be best to use 312 type electrode
Regards
Suneel Gore
>
>--- On Tue, 27/10/09, Maringan Hutagalung wrote:
>

>From: Maringan Hutagalung
>Subject: [MW:3549] Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel
>To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
>Date: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009, 12:32 PM
>
>

>Dear all,
>
>Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
>a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.
>
>For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
>require an electrode AWS E630.
>
>Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
>substitute a E630 since
>we don't have stock of it.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Maringan
>
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>
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[MW:3552] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel

Sir
If 17-4PH is it pre trated to any specfic condition as like 950, 1075 or 1100, 1150 ?
If pre trated , then it would be best to use 312 type electrode
Regards
Suneel Gore

--- On Tue, 27/10/09, Maringan Hutagalung <maringan.hutagalung@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Maringan Hutagalung <maringan.hutagalung@gmail.com>
Subject: [MW:3549] Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009, 12:32 PM


Dear all,

Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.

For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
require an electrode AWS E630.

Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
substitute a E630 since
we don't have stock of it.

Thanks in advance


Maringan

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[MW:3551] RE: 3547] Re: PT after root pass in SS welding

Dear all,
Maintaining interpass temperature is up to the WPS preparing authority. You can stop very well at root pass, cool down and carry on PT. This shall be established in WPS / PQR enabling to follow the same during production welding.
 
Regards,
 
R.Gopalasamy,
Sr.QA/QC Consultant,
Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Ltd,
PY1, Onshore Gas Processing Facility,
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Sent: Mon 10/26/2009 7:40 PM
To: smmubarakqc@gmail.com
Cc: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:3547] Re: PT after root pass in SS welding


Hello Syed

You can very well conduct PT after Root pass while welding SS, only ensure that temp. has come below 52 degreeC.
We regularly conduct PT after root pass when welding SS jobs even upto 70mm thick with GTAW.

The chances of cracking after GTAW root pass is seen in thick sections of CS and LAS material i.e above 20/25mm thick OR having high restraints. Hence while welding such materials,we conduct PT after hot pass only.
For thin sections LPT can be done safely after root pass for CS/LAS material.
This is only my experience which i would like to share with you!!

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Godrej, Mumbai
Cell:9820313278

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:12:07 +0530 wrote
>Recently I faced the following issue and kindly clarify my doubt. A qualified WPS for stainless steel (A312-TP304H) requires PT after root pass. After root pass, its not possible to perform PT immediately unless the temperature reduces.
But, in normal practice,any weld is not to be stopped before completing hot pass or 1/3rd of groove thickness. I got difficulty in following both conditions on single weld joint.
Based on the above different opinions, kindly suggest me the right one with details.



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[MW:3550] Re: Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel

Dear Maringan,
If you have stock of 25/12 electrode you can use of it.
It is a superior electrode but costlier than the E630.
Muniyandi

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Maringan Hutagalung <maringan.hutagalung@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.

For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
require an electrode AWS E630.

Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
substitute a E630 since
we don't have stock of it.

Thanks in advance


Maringan

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[MW:3549] Electrode for 17-4 PH cast steel

Dear all,

Our customer as a pulp and paper mill service are repairing
a liner in a rotor housing, the material is a cast steel type 17-4PH.

For repair of some defect caused corrosion and abrasion wear, they
require an electrode AWS E630.

Does anyone can give an advice for other type of electrode to
substitute a E630 since
we don't have stock of it.

Thanks in advance


Maringan

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Monday, October 26, 2009

[MW:3548] heat treated astm pipe is preferred than non heat treated api 5l pipes

dear group members,
why heat treated astm pipe is preferred than non heat treated api 5l pipes.
regards
dinesh
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[MW:3547] Re: PT after root pass in SS welding


Hello Syed

You can very well conduct PT after Root pass while welding SS, only ensure that temp. has come below 52 degreeC.
We regularly conduct PT after root pass when welding SS jobs even upto 70mm thick with GTAW.

The chances of cracking after GTAW root pass is seen in thick sections of CS and LAS material i.e above 20/25mm thick OR having high restraints. Hence while welding such materials,we conduct PT after hot pass only.
For thin sections LPT can be done safely after root pass for CS/LAS material.
This is only my experience which i would like to share with you!!

Regards

Prem Nautiyal
Godrej, Mumbai
Cell:9820313278

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:12:07 +0530 wrote
>Recently I faced the following issue and kindly clarify my doubt. A qualified WPS for stainless steel (A312-TP304H) requires PT after root pass. After root pass, its not possible to perform PT immediately unless the temperature reduces.
But, in normal practice,any weld is not to be stopped before completing hot pass or 1/3rd of groove thickness. I got difficulty in following both conditions on single weld joint.
Based on the above different opinions, kindly suggest me the right one with details.



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[MW:3545] Re: Reason for preheating

Hi,
Pre heating of weld joints is to remove the tensile residual stresses, due
to welding and to homogenise the material. Particularly tensile residual
stresses- If the tensile residual stress of the material exceeds more than
50 % of the yield stress of the material, it will lead to localised
yielding/cracking.
Regards,
Vaidehi ganesan,
Metallurgy and Materials Group,
IGCAR, Kalpakkam-603 102, India.
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>
> Dear friends,
>
> Is there any other reason for preheating of weld joints other than
> Code requirements (B31.3). any metallurgical requirement etc.,
>
> Regards,
>
> Mohan.
>
>

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[MW:3546] RE: 3544] Reason for preheating

 Pre Heating : To control the formation of H2 cracks. Control the effects of expansion & contractional stresses. 

PREHEATING
 What is Preheat?
Preheating involves heating the base metal, either in its entirety or just the region
surrounding the joint, to a specific desired temperature, called the preheat temperature, prior
to welding/cutting. Heating may be continued during the welding process, but frequently the
heat from welding is sufficient to maintain the desired temperature without a continuation
of the external heat source. The interpass temperature, defined as the temperature
between the first and last welding passes, can not fall below the preheat temperature.

Why Preheat?
There are four primary reasons to utilize preheat:
(1) it lowers the cooling rate in the weld metal and base metal, producing a more ductile
metallurgical structure with greater resistance to cracking;
(2) the slower cooling rate provides an opportunity for any hydrogen that may be
present to diffuse out harmlessly without causing cracking;
(3) it reduces the shrinkage stresses in the weld and adjacent base metal, which is especially
important in highly restrained joints and
(4) it raises some steels above the temperature at which brittle fracture would occur in
fabrication. Additionally, preheat can be used to help ensure specific mechanical properties,
such as notch toughness.

When Should Preheat be Used?
In determining whether or not to preheat, the following array of factors should be
considered: code requirements, section thickness, base metal chemistry, restraint, ambient
temperature, filler metal hydrogen content and previous cracking problems.
If a welding code must be followed, then the code generally will specify the minimum preheat
temperature for a given base metal, welding process and section thickness. When there are no
codes governing the welding, one must determine whether preheat is required, and if so,
what preheat temperature will be appropriate. In general, preheat usually is not required on
low carbon steels less than 1 in, (25 mm) thick. However, as the chemistry, diffusible
hydrogen level of the weld metal, restraint or section thickness increases, the demand for
preheat also increases. There are several methods to determine the required preheat
temperature for a given base metal and section thickness that will be discussed in the next
section.


Regards,

Rupesh A. Jambhale
Inspection Department,
Mott MacDonalds Consultants (India) Pvt Ltd., Mumbai

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Sent: 26 October 2009 12:45
To: Materials & Welding
Subject: [MW:3544] Reason for preheating


Dear friends,

Is there any other reason for preheating of weld joints other than Code requirements (B31.3). any metallurgical requirement etc.,

Regards,

Mohan.


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