Dear Mr.John,
This case called as back gouging not backing.This is not a Double welded type.
As per Sec.IX,definition as below.
backgouging: the removal of weld metal and base metal
from the weld root side of a welded joint to facilitate
complete fusion and complete joint penetration upon subsequent
welding from that side.
Thanks & Regards,
(Karthik)
Karthikeyan.S QA/QC Manager Getabec Energy Co.,Ltd. 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Rayong-21180, Thailand. Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Fax: 0066 38 897034 Hand Phone: 0066 892512282
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, John Henning <jhenning@deltak.com> wrote:
From: John Henning <jhenning@deltak.com>
Subject: RE: [MW:10482] RE: 10463] Backing
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:49 PM
Karthik, I beg to differ – any time you weld on the root side of the weld, for ASME Section IX it is considered welding with backing. Whether you do it for cosmetic purposes, to fix suck back, or to remove & replace unsound material, you are still welding against some existing material and (probably more important) you are not welding "open root". That said, this usually is not a problem, because it is considered easier to weld with backing than without. A weldor qualified to weld without backing can make a weld with backing and, therefore, if your weldor was qualified for the open root weld he can correct the root side without issue – probably why your AI has no issue also. Also since the use of backing is a non essential variable for the WPS, this too is not an issue other than making sure your pencil is sharpened. John From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karthik
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:03 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MW:10480] RE: 10463] Backing I think,this is not a backing,because this is to make sure for the welder confirmation. it is happen in normal practice that after welding of single v groove of plate and to be confirmed by visual to confirm the full penetration..and if the penetration is good...many(All) times the welder need to confirm by themself by grind to some depth after confirm by visual (1 or 2mm max..) to make it look good appearnce as well as to avoid any discrepancies in RT.(even it can accept in Rt without grinding) As far as my experience and Customer,AI witness.. it was accepted as without backing... 379,Moo6,Soi8,Nikhomphatana, Phone: 0066 38 897035-8 (Off) Hand Phone: 0066 892512282
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, John Henning <jhenning@deltak.com> wrote:
From: John Henning <jhenning@deltak.com>
Subject: [MW:10464] RE: 10463] Backing
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:41 PM
YES – it is welding with backing. See QW-402.4, non-essential variable for both SMAW and GMAW and an essential variable for welder performance qualification for both processes per QW-416. "QW-402.4 The deletion or the backing in single welded groove welds. Double welded groove welds are considered welding with backing." John From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Venkateswaran
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:11 AM
To: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
Subject: [MW:10463] Backing As per ASME SEC IX ,we qualified PQR(SMAW/GMAW process) with 8mm/10 mm thickness plate full penetration welding( Root Land:1mm to 1.5 mm) as root ,hot and cap welding and then back/root side of plate was grounded(approx 2mm) to sound metal and one pass of cap welding was done in root side. My question is whether is method is considered as welding with backing or with out backing it is considered as backing. how? Regards, kvr --
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