Re: [MW:33630] Missing Material Certificate of Existing Line

First identify and check with the Lab how much grams of Fillings (using manual File on Pipe external surface) are required and sometimes even Lab will come and collect the Fillings. What is your Pipe Thickness and obtain operator permission to remove 0.5mm or 1mm from the live line surface to collect fillings. Normally spectroscopy involves an arc and not advisable on live line and X-Ray Fluoroscopy may be permitted but you cannot determine carbon content and the only viable option is to collect fillings.

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar

On Wednesday, 26 October, 2022 at 09:18:54 am GMT+4, Ilkin Hasanov <ilkinhasanov.91@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Gerald,

During shut down (welding our TEEs to live line) we will have time only for welding. 

So, I have to have a proper qualified WPS on my hands prior to shut down.

Operator of live lines is not able to provide certificates and live line's were manufactured according to GOST standard (Even not  to API or ASME). 

Regards 

Ilkin HASANOV 

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 08:55 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I believe from your mail that you are not going for Hot Tapping that means the Line has to be shut down for welding with TEE.

I suppose you have to plan during shut down all these activities.

Also check with the operator incharge whether any filling (use File) from external surface of the Live line possible without reducing much thickness

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar

On Wednesday, 26 October, 2022 at 08:38:36 am GMT+4, Ilkin Hasanov <ilkinhasanov.91@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Gerald,

Problem is that, line is live an now we can to go for shut down and taking a test coupons/samples is not possible.

Regards, 

Ilkin Hasanov

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 07:29 'james gerald' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:

To find the exact chemical composition of existing line, perform volumetric analysis (lab test) from the Fillings collected from existing line. (check with Chemical testing lab the exact grams needed).

Thanks & Regards

J.Gerald Jayakumar

On Tuesday, 25 October, 2022 at 07:51:08 am GMT+4, ilkinhasanov <ilkinhasanov.91@gmail.com> wrote:

there will not be hot tapping - there will be installed "TEE" and new line will connect with existing through the "TEE"

пятница, 21 октября 2022 г. в 12:12:33 UTC+4, perumal govindan:

Hi

Are you going to do hot tapping on the existing pipeline? 

Refer previously used materials documents from Client or refer the data sheet / material requirements of FEED. 

And consult the Operation and Maintenance team of Client. As a QA QC  do not have authorization to change or replace any materials.

Regards

Govindan Perumal 

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 11:36 ilkinhasanov <ilkinha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

We have to weld our new fabricated pipeline to existing live line. (welding code is 1104).

Unfortunately,  we do not have a certificates of existing line. and it is not possible to perform shutdown to take a test coupons and perform chemical analysis and mechanical tests to identify grade of materials.

All knows that, existing line's material is Carbon steel but exact Yield and tensile Strength and Chemical prosperities are unknown. (our new fabricated pipeline is also Carbon steel.

Could you please advise me what can we do in this condition?

Regards,

Ilkin HASANOV

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