Re: [MW:29888] Nelson curve / hydrogen service

Dear Expert

Could anybody share, how to define or calculate the partial pressure of Hydrogen on the boiler water tube?

Let say my boiler works at steam pressure 180 kg/cm2 (gauge) and 540 deg C, in this condition how to get the partial pressure of hydrogen, to be applied on nelson curve, if the tube using carbon steel material.

Thanks for your help

zuhad

On Friday, August 5, 2011 at 10:26:09 AM UTC+7, pgoswami wrote:

Dear Mr. Sil,

 

Some additional points on Nelson Diagram and High Temperature Hydrogen service are as follows.

 

Nelson's diagram is the basic building block for good metallurgical design in high temperature hydrogen service. High temperature hydrogen attack (HTHA), or otherwise known as hot hydrogen attack, is a problem which concerns steels operating at elevated temperatures (typically above 400°C) in hydrogen environments, in refinery, petrochemical and other chemical facilities and, also in  high pressure steam boilers.

 

HTHA is the result of hydrogen dissociating and dissolving in the steel, and then reacting with the carbon in solution in the steel to form methane. Methane pressure builds up, forming bubbles or cavities, micro fissures and fissures that may combine to form cracks

High temperature hydrogen can attack steels in two ways:

a. Surface decarburization.

b. Internal decarburization and fissuring.

In order of increasing resistance: carbon steel, C-0.5Mo, Mn-0.5Mo, 1Cr-0.5Mo, 1.25Cr-0.5Mo, 2.25Cr-1Mo, 2.25Cr-1Mo-V, 3Cr-1Mo, 5Cr-0.5Mo and similar steels with variations in chemistry are the materials recommended for HTHA service.For a specific material, HTHA is dependent on temperature, hydrogen partial pressure, time and stress. Service exposure time is cumulative.

 

Use alloy steels with chromium and molybdenum have  increased carbide stability thereby minimizing methane formation. Other carbide stabilizing elements include tungsten and vanadium. 300 Series SS, as well as 5Cr, 9Cr and 12 Cr alloys, are not susceptible to HTHA at conditions normally seen in refinery units.

 

Hope this would clarify your query.If you have any real issues, feel free to share.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Pradip Goswami,P.Eng.IWE

Welding & Metallurgical Specialist & Consultant

Ontario,Canada.

Email-pgoswami@sympatico.ca,

pgos...@quickclic.net

 

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From: material...@googlegroups.com [mailto:material...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jignesh.rana@Linde-LE.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 5:33 AM
To: material...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MW:12102] Nelson curve / hydrogen service

Dear Mr. Pradip,

Original Nelson curve was prepared by G A Nelson in 194, using two parameters;  operating temperature and partial pressure of Hydrogen with respect to HTHA ( High Temperature Hydrogen Attack.) This curve was first published by API in 1970 and then underwent several changes after noticed cases of HTHA.

Presently widely accepted specification against HTHA is API 941.  Fig. 1 of API 941 defines the temperature limits of various materials against partial pressure of Hydrogen.

If Coincident point (temp and pH2) falls above particular material line, then  HTHA is likely to happen for that material for these conditions.

With Best Regards,

Jignesh R Rana
Linde Engineering India Pvt. Ltd.

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From:        pradip kumar sil <prad...@gmail.com>
To:        material...@googlegroups.com
Date:        04-08-11 13:43
Subject:        [MW:12101] Nelson curve / hydrogen service
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Dear everybody,
Can anybody tell me how can select material for hydrogen service AS PER  NELSON CURVE
Regards
Pradip

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