Re: [MW:29810] WPS

Dear all ;

Many thanks for helping me , and now your answerbto me  it is very clear.

Merghni Yahia Arabi

NDT Inspector 

Mobile No: 00249918233446

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:10 PM George Dilintas <dilintas@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder why Nickel based filler metals will promote martensite formation. Nickel is promoting austenite

Στις Τρί, 21 Μαΐ 2019 στις 12:34 μ.μ., ο/η Ramin Kondori <raminkondori@gmail.com> έγραψε:

Dear Merghni:

This is from TWI; please read it first:

• Duplex and superduplex stainless steels may be welded to carbon steels using one of a range of consumable types. When selecting the most appropriate consumable, the need to have weld metal strength overmatching with respect to the lower strength of the two parent metals should be considered.

• The highest weld metal strength probably will be achieved with the use of a superduplex consumable. Alternatively, where such high strength is not required, a 22%Cr duplex stainless steel filler, a nickel-based filler or a 309 type austenitic stainless steel may be used. It should be noted that dilution of these highly alloyed fillers by carbon steel may have a number of effects:
  

1. It will tend to reduce the weld metal strength to below that normally expected for the chosen consumable type.
   
2. It will promote martensite formation in the stainless steel weld deposits, with an associated increase of weld metal hardness and sensitivity to hydrogen cracking.
   
3. For duplex and superduplex filler metals, it will tend to suppress ferrite formation.
   

• Hence, dilution should be kept to a minimum. Hard-narrow martensite layers will tend to form at the interface to the carbon steel, regardless of filler choice and dilution level. If a nickel-based filler type is considered, it should be noted that niobium-containing consumables are not favoured for welding on duplex and superduplex steels due to the tendency for nitrogen diffusion out of the heat affected zone (HAZ) and into the weld metal and the associated formation of niobium nitrides in the weld metal. This can cause local reduction of mechanical and corrosion properties in the HAZ and in the weld metal adjacent to the fusion boundary.
  

• It may also be noted that if bend tests are required for weld procedure qualification of dissimilar joints of this type, they should be performed with due consideration of the objective of such tests. Joints may fracture along the fusion line at fairly low bend angles, as a consequence of the sharp transition in material strength across the fusion boundary. The presence of a welding defect may not be required to initiate failure. Hence, such fractures should not be interpreted as bend test 'failures', as the test is designed to open and reveal any welding flaws, rather than to check the cross-weld mechanical properties. If these properties are of concern, cross-weld tensile testing should be performed. If fractures persist during bend testing in the absence of pre-existing defects, a suitably reduced bend angle or radius should be adopted.
  

Please remember that after all, it's the PQR test results which determine whether you have a green light or not. In this context, pay attention to the Bend Test issue underlined above and discuss it with your client. Always check the Nb content for it is not a good idea to use Nb-containing filler metals when dealing with Duplex stainless steel. Again, try to keep dilution to a minimum. Either ER2209 or ER309L could be successful candidates. I have used ER309L a number of times and never had any issues. Of course, you have to do everything by the book and weld with minimum dilution, especially in the root pass. 

Regards

Ramin  Kondori

Sr. QA/QC & Welding Engineer

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BSc. in Civil Engineering (IUT)

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:04 AM merghni <merghni@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Colleague;

I have a question ,please i want to know how to select the filler metal to weld dissimilar metal ,because i have WPS , the information :  P1 to P10H ,Grade API 5L,PSL 2  , X65Q to Grade ASME A790 S31803 and  i found the electrode ER2209 for root and E2209-16 for fill is this selection acceptable or not i need advice  .

I review ASME IX but i didn't find any information about this.

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