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[MW:35633] IP Joint

Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
Saurabh

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Re: [MW:35634] Can we avoid PWHT for P No.5A to P No.1 , 10mm weld joint ?

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your explanation. 

As the vessel design based on Sec VIII Div-1, and if our client  insists to do PWHT for that joint,
 Case 1) can we do a pqr by buttering with ERNiCr-3 on P No.5A plate and butt weld with same filler for this dissimilar joint to avoid pwht.

Because,  for P no.1 , the holding temperature is about 600 deg C and for P No.5A, the holding temperature is about 675 degrees C as per Sec VIII Div1,.

Case 2) Or , when we do pwht for this joint using ER80S-B2 filler,  can we use higher holding temperature of 675 degree C .

METALLURGICALLY, is it safe ?

Please confirm. 

Thanks and Regards, 
Saravanan Sornam, 
S.KOREA 




On Fri, 23 May 2025, 8:43 pm George Dilintas, <dilintas@gmail.com> wrote:
in case the nominal base metal thickness is less than 16 mm and the specified Cr% is less than 3 (you must check the base metal MTRs) and the max C% is 0,15 (check MTR) and you apply a min preheat of 150degC then you are allowed not to perform PWHT, as per Section I
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Στις Παρ 23 Μαΐ 2025 στις 5:36 π.μ., ο/η PARAI Reaction Channel <saravanshyla@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Dear Sir, 

It is a condensate receiver tank and it is a design requirement from client side.

Regards, 
Saravanan. 
S.KOREA 

On Thu, 22 May 2025, 9:26 pm Raghuram Bathula, <raghurambathula@gmail.com> wrote:
Why do you use P22 nozzles on CS?

On Thu, 22 May 2025, 16:24 PARAI Reaction Channel, <saravanshyla@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sirs ,

 

We have a project with both shell and Reinforcement Pad materials SA516-70, 10 mm Thk ( P No.1 ) and the Nozzle is SA335-P22, 4" Sch 120 , 

11.1 mm ( P No.5A ) Thk.

 We already have a qualified WPS & PQR with 8mm GTAW and tested about 10 years ago by other welding engineer, for P No,.5A to P No.1 without PWHT and it was satisfactorily passed and we 

have used that WPS & PQR for the previous project 10 years ago and no 

issues found without PWHT.

 Now for the new project, we are going to use the same WPS and apply 

Preheat ( 204 to 250 Deg C ) as per the WPS for 10mm Shell Thk by 

multipass welding, refer to the below sketches.





So, i would like to confirm whether PWHT is mandatory as per UCS-56-4 ?

Can we avoid PWHT for this 10mm weld joint ?


Or Should we do buttering with ERNiCr-3 on P No.5A bevel and butt weld 

with same filler for this dissimilar joint to avoid PWHT after making new 

PQR with buttering?


Please confirm soon.


Thanks and Regards,

Saravanan Sornam,

ANSAN-Si,

S.Korea 

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Re: [MW:35635] IMPACT VALUE SUBSIZE

No, we can't use this wps for production material

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On Sat, 24 May, 2025, 4:14 pm Elavarasan Mech, <elavarasan1861994@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all 
please clarify below 
We have qualified WPS base metal thickness 6 mm P1 material as per ASME SEC IX 
PQR impact test carried out on (-10DEG C )Specimen size 10x3.3x55mm 
Can we use this PQR to production weld -20deg c project please guide me 

Regards 
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Re: [MW:35636] IP Joint

In essence, an IP pipe joint is any connection made between pipes that are sized using the IPS or NPS standards, regardless of the specific connection method.

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On May 24, 2025, at 9:48 PM, Saurabh Jain <ensaurabh@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
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Re: [MW:35637] IP Joint

Are you sure? There is no such a term in 31.3
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Στις Δευ 26 Μαΐ 2025 στις 5:00 π.μ., ο/η 'Eugene Matsko' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> έγραψε:
In essence, an IP pipe joint is any connection made between pipes that are sized using the IPS or NPS standards, regardless of the specific connection method.

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Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
Saurabh

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Re: [MW:35639] HARDNESS TEST

The standards referenced in API 6A are all for Brinell hardness testing
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Στις Παρ 23 Μαΐ 2025 στις 8:09 μ.μ., ο/η Deerendra Karanth <dkaranths@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Sir, 

Use Brinell or Rockwell C as per the heat treatment and material type.The test location, frequency, and acceptance criteria must comply with API 6A PSL level (usually PSL 2/3) and material class (AA, BB, CC...).

BR 
Deerendra

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Dear all
 
API6A FLANGE which hardness method recommended please guide me
Regard 
ELAVARASAN 

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Re: [MW:35640] IP Joint

Greetings,

I think 'IP' joint means 'incomplete penetration'(partial penetration) joint.




On Mon, May 26, 2025, 7:30 AM 'Eugene Matsko' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
In essence, an IP pipe joint is any connection made between pipes that are sized using the IPS or NPS standards, regardless of the specific connection method.

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Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
Saurabh

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Re: [MW:35641] IP Joint

Greetings,

In Saudi Aramco projects, the term "IP" refers to the Initial Production weld for piping joints. As per the requirements of SAEP-324 (Welder Performance Qualification Procedure), every welder must perform a minimum of three (3) Initial Production (IP) welds following the successful completion of their Welder Qualification Test (WQT).

This process ensures that welders not only meet qualification standards in a controlled test environment but also demonstrate their proficiency in actual site conditions before being released for production welding activities.  

Reference - SAEP-324

Best Regards
Dhana

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 7:27 PM Ganga Prasad <gangaprasad9010@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,

I think 'IP' joint means 'incomplete penetration'(partial penetration) joint.




On Mon, May 26, 2025, 7:30 AM 'Eugene Matsko' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
In essence, an IP pipe joint is any connection made between pipes that are sized using the IPS or NPS standards, regardless of the specific connection method.

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On May 24, 2025, at 9:48 PM, Saurabh Jain <ensaurabh@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
Saurabh

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Re: [MW:35642] IP Joint

Many thanks Dhana. 

I am new to Aramco project. I will go through the specs. 

Regards 
Saurabh


On Mon, 26 May 2025 at 9:28 PM, Dhanabal Jalachandran <dhanabal.jalachandrann@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,

In Saudi Aramco projects, the term "IP" refers to the Initial Production weld for piping joints. As per the requirements of SAEP-324 (Welder Performance Qualification Procedure), every welder must perform a minimum of three (3) Initial Production (IP) welds following the successful completion of their Welder Qualification Test (WQT).

This process ensures that welders not only meet qualification standards in a controlled test environment but also demonstrate their proficiency in actual site conditions before being released for production welding activities.  

Reference - SAEP-324

Best Regards
Dhana

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 7:27 PM Ganga Prasad <gangaprasad9010@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings,

I think 'IP' joint means 'incomplete penetration'(partial penetration) joint.




On Mon, May 26, 2025, 7:30 AM 'Eugene Matsko' via Materials & Welding <materials-welding@googlegroups.com> wrote:
In essence, an IP pipe joint is any connection made between pipes that are sized using the IPS or NPS standards, regardless of the specific connection method.

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Hello experts,

I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)? 

Regards
Saurabh

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[MW:35643] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.





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Re: [MW:35644] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

New qualification is required 
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Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.



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[MW:35645] CONSUMABLE SELECTION P9, P5B, P8 Base metal.

Hi Dear Experts,
  My query is about the selection of welding consumable for GTAW and SMAW process with following combination of Base metals,
1. P9 to P9  
2. P5B to P5B 
3. P5B to P8 304H 

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[MW:35646] Reinforcement pad requirements

Hi, 
Please share the selection criteria about the requirements of reinforcement pad of pipe. 

Thanks

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[MW:35648] cswip 3.1 past question and answer.

Hello House,

Please I am in dare need of Cswip 3.1 past question and answers.

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Re: [MW:35648] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

No need new qualification. Please let me why new qualification required?

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New qualification is required 
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Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.



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K. Karuppasamy


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Re: [MW:35648] Reinforcement pad requirements

Hi, 
Please share the information about reinforcement pad requirements against the ASME B31.3

Regards

Manish Kumar
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On Thu, 29 May, 2025, 6:18 pm Tajuddin Mohammed, <tajuddinjntu@gmail.com> wrote:
as per 01-SAMSS-010 para 5.5 Reinforcing and Attachments
Steel plate used for reinforcing pads, sleeves, saddles and other structural
attachments shall conform to a code listed plate material with specified
minimum yield strength of 241.3 MPa (35,000 psi) or greater, depending on
design requirements.
All reinforcing and attachment welds shall be continuous. Skip or stitch
welding is not permitted

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Hi, 
Please share the selection criteria about the requirements of reinforcement pad of pipe. 

Thanks

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Manish Kumar
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Re: [MW:35652] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

Provided all other essential variables are in line with requirements 

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On Thu, 29 May 2025, 21:41 venkateswara reddy Desireddy, <dvreddy82@gmail.com> wrote:
No need new qualification. Please let me why new qualification required?

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New qualification is required 
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Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.



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Regards,
K. Karuppasamy


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Re: [MW:35653] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

Simple answer - for the base metals yes, for filler metals you have to check the filler group.

Detailed answer - 
If a welder is qualified using a base metal listed on the left side of Table QW-423 (ASME Section IX), they are qualified to weld all the base metals listed on the corresponding right side of that row — provided all other essential variables remain unchanged.

In your specific example:

  • P-No. 8 (e.g., austenitic stainless steel) to P-No. 45 (e.g., high-alloy austenitic stainless steel such as Alloy 20)
    You need to check if P-No. 8 appears on the left and P-No. 45 appears on the corresponding right in the same row of Table QW-423.
    If it does not, then a separate performance qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, for welder performance qualification, the F-Number of the filler metal is also important. A welder is only qualified to weld using filler metals with the same F-Number (or a group of F-Numbers if permitted by the code). So, if the F-Number of the filler used for P-No. 8 is different from what is required for P-No. 45, a new qualification may be needed.


Best regards,

Rao Gundala


On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:47 PM Karuppa Samy <samyqc08@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.





Regards,
K. Karuppasamy


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Re: [MW:35655] Clarification Required on Welder Qualification – P-No. 8 vs. P-No. 45 (ASME Section IX)

A welder qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is generally permitted to weld P-No. 45 material without a separate 

qualification, provided no essential variables have changed. This allowance is based on the grouping of base metals into P-Numbers 

in ASME Section IX, which groups similar materials so that qualification on one material covers others in the same group or related groups.

 

·   Table QW-423 in ASME Section IX lists base metals by their P-numbers and groups them into rows. This table defines which materials 

    can be considered equivalent for welder qualification purposes. If a welder is qualified on a base metal in a given row, they are qualified 

    to weld other base metals in the same row without requalification. 

Hence,

·    Welder qualified on GTAW P-No. 8 → permitted to weld P-No. 45 without requalification, if the filler metal (F-No.) is the same.

·     No changes in essential variables such as joint design, backing, thickness, welding position, or process.

·    The QW-423 table in ASME Section IX governs this equivalency and substitution of base metals for welder qualification.


This approach streamlines welder qualification by grouping similar materials and avoiding redundant testing while ensuring weld quality and 

code compliance. 

C Sridhar.


 

 

 



On Thu, 29 May 2025 at 21:41, venkateswara reddy Desireddy <dvreddy82@gmail.com> wrote:
No need new qualification. Please let me why new qualification required?

On Thu, 29 May 2025, 4:09 pm Vishwas Keskar, <vvkeskar123@gmail.com> wrote:
New qualification is required 
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On 29 May 2025, at 11:47 AM, Karuppa Samy <samyqc08@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I would like to clarify whether a welder who is qualified using the GTAW process on P-No. 8 material is also permitted to weld P-No. 45 material, or if a separate qualification is required for P-No. 45.

Additionally, I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation regarding the relevant table in ASME Section IX that addresses this qualification range.

Your expert input on this matter would be highly appreciated.



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Regards,
K. Karuppasamy


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Re: [MW:35656] CONSUMABLE SELECTION P9, P5B, P8 Base metal.

For welding the specified base metals—P9 to P9, P5B to P5B, and P5B to P8 (304H)—the selection of consumables (filler metals) must 

consider the chemical composition, mechanical properties, and service conditions of these materials.

Consumables for Joining P9 to P9

·        P9 corresponds to 9Cr-1Mo steels (Chromium-Molybdenum steels).

·        Recommended filler metals for welding P9 to P9 are typically E80S-B8 or E8016B8/E8018-B8 electrodes for GTAW or corresponding 

       solid wires for SMAW.

·        Preheat and post-weld heat treatment (PWHT) are essential to avoid cracking and ensure weld integrity.

Consumables for Joining P5B to P5B

·        P5B includes 5%Cr, 0.5%Mo often used in high-temperature, creep-resistant applications.

·        Common filler metals include ER80S-B6 or E8016-B6/E8018-B6 low alloy wires, which match the Cr-Mo content and provide good 

       weldability and creep strength.

·        Preheat and post-weld heat treatment (PWHT) is mandatory for P5B welds to achieve crack free weld.

Consumables for Joining P5B to P8 (304H SS)

·        This is a dissimilar metal weld between a Cr-Mo steel (P5B) and an austenitic stainless steel (P8 304H).

·        The filler metal must accommodate differences in thermal expansion and metallurgical compatibility.

·        Nickel-based filler metals such as ERNiCrFe-2 or ERNiCrFe-3 (AWS A5.11 or A5.14 classifications) are preferred for joining these dissimilar 

       because they provide good corrosion resistance and reduce the risk of cracking caused by dilution and thermal mismatch.

·        Austenitic stainless steel fillers like ER309 are not recommended for P5B to P8 welds due to dilution issues and stress concentration. Instead, 

       nickel-based alloys with higher corrosion resistance and ductility are used.

·       This selection ensures metallurgical compatibility, mechanical integrity, and service life of the welds involving these materials. Proper welding 

       procedure and heat treatment are critical, especially for creep-resistant steels like P5B and P9.

 

C Sridhar.

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Hi Dear Experts,
  My query is about the selection of welding consumable for GTAW and SMAW process with following combination of Base metals,
1. P9 to P9  
2. P5B to P5B 
3. P5B to P8 304H 

Regards,
M Bilal
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[MW:35633] IP Joint

Hello experts, I would like to know what is IP joints in piping(31.3)?  Regards Saurabh -- https://materials-welding.blogspot.com/...