In my opinion its neither required nor necessary to print .
From: Hegde, Gireesh [mailto:Gireesh.Hegde@petrofac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:41 AM
To: Bathula Raghuram (Mumbai - PIPING)
Subject: RE: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Raghu,
Any idea whether EN 10204 type 3.1 ( or 3.2 ...) number should or shall appear on the test certificate (i.e printed on the certificate), having met the requirements of the EN 10204..
Refer attachment of POSCO (without 3.1 print on it).
Could you provide any further details..
regards
gireesh
From: Hegde, Gireesh
Sent: 23 December, 2008 08:45
To: 'Knowledge Centre'
Subject: RE: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Dear Sir,
There is no mention of EN number shoud or shall appear on the test certificate". As such EN 10204 does not speak about this point.
Most Mills are printing it, few of them (example POSCO sometimes) are not printing.
Could you provide contact details of the staff of EN Body/committe, who is having Authority on this subject who can put an end my query.
Appreciate your response at the earliest.
regards
gireesh
From: Knowledge Centre [mailto:KnowledgeCentre@bsigroup.com]
Sent: 22 December, 2008 20:01
To: Hegde, Gireesh
Subject: RE: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Dear Gireesh,
As previously stated, you must follow the standard as it is written. If it states that the EN number should appear on the test certificate, then you should follow this guideline. If it does not state this, then there is not a requirement to do so. All the details are given in the standard, which should be read in full. BSI British Standards is not able to provide any kind of supplementary information, and we do not have technical experts available to answer such queries.
If you need further assistance applying the standard then we would suggest you seek professional guidance from a consultant or professional body.
Kind regards,
Joanne Edwards
Information Specialist
BSI Knowledge Centre
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From: Hegde, Gireesh [mailto:Gireesh.Hegde@petrofac.com]
Sent: 22 December 2008 14:24
To: Knowledge Centre
Cc: Karima Senegri
Subject: RE: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Dear Sir,
I had requested the simple question for resolution.
Whether the printing of EN10204 3.1 on Material Test Certificate is a must when the requirements of EN 10204, Type 3.1 is met.
Appreciate your response at the earliest. Could you please provide your contact phone for further discussion if you are willing to.
regards
gireesh
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From: Knowledge Centre [mailto:KnowledgeCentre@bsigroup.com]
Sent: 22 December, 2008 18:19
To: Hegde, Gireesh
Cc: Karima Senegri
Subject: RE: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Dear Gireesh,
Thank you for enquiry regarding BS EN 10204:2004. We welcome comments from users of our standards although we are usually unable to offer detailed advice on interpretation or application.
Users of a standard should be able to rely upon the standard saying the same thing to everyone who uses it, and on it not being subject to re-interpretation, expansion or elaboration. If, in response to an enquiry, we were to offer advice that differs in detail from what might readily be inferred from the text, it could have the effect of undermining the reliability that our users expect of a standard.
In order to fulfill completely the requirements of a standard it has to be applied as it stands. Please be aware that British Standards are published for voluntary use. Whilst these might support
Therefore the application of a standard is a contractual matter between the parties concerned, unless mandated by national or European regulation. You would need to agree on your understanding and use of the standard in discussion with the other parties involved, and in light of any relevant legislation. You might also wish to seek guidance from a trade or professional association or other suitably qualified professional.
Kind regards,
Joanne Edwards
Information Specialist
BSI Knowledge Centre
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From: Hegde, Gireesh [mailto:Gireesh.Hegde@petrofac.com]
Sent: 09 December 2008 14:02
To: cservices
Subject: Missing Information about reference to EN 10204 3.1 in CERTIFICATES
Dear Sir,
However they are claiming that, they will provide the general Guarantee letter which will state that, the material is meeting the requirements as per 3.1.
POSCO claims that, as per EN10204, there is no requirement to specify
EN10204 3.1 in the certificate itself, though it is in accordance to 3.1.
Appreciate your response regarding the interpretation.
Regards
Gireesh
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