You only can qualify your ASME section IX qualifications if they also met
the requirements of the EN ISO specifications. In my opinion this will never
be the case because you have to execute all the Non Destructive and
Destructive test on your original qualification as well. This means that you
have to execute Radiographic examination according to ASME as well as to EN
specifications, similar counts for tensile tests. The specimens are not
similar so we always have to test two sets of specimens, one according to
ASME and on according to EN ISO.
When you have to build pressure vessels according to the European pressure
directive you also need a notified body to witness welding and testing, for
ASME this is not a requirement.
So in my opinion you will need to qualify new test plates / pipes.
Met vriendelijke groeten / Best Regards
Herman Pieper
Pieper Quality Support & Inspection
Phone: +31 (0)521 380083
Fax: +31 (0)84 7539225
Cell: +31 (0)6 51691215
www.pieper-qsi.nl
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Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
[mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens ken waterhouse
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2011 7:23
Aan: Materials & Welding
Onderwerp: [MW:12807] Re: BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the replies.
Thank you for pointing out that the EN 288 is used for WPS as apposed to the
EN 287. I never thought about that and I'm glad you brought it to my
attention.
However, the WPS's that we have, (ASME IX) still need to be matched to a
list of BS EN /ISO WPS's if you see what I mean. So that we can start
printing the new WPS numbers on drawings and following them in shop, to
satisfy the customer. I know it would be possible to re- qualify all of the
same variables under the new code, but it would save a lot of time to be
able to just find the equivalent by means of cross referencing between the
two codes and their range of approvals.
Please let me know if this makes more sense.
I'm not sure it's the best way to do it, but the boss has asked...
Thanks again for the help.
Ken
On Nov 1, 1:14 am, "Pieper QSI" <i...@pieper-qsi.nl> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> The mentioned EN 288-1, 2, 3 and 4 are withdrawn and replaced by EN
> ISO
> 15609 up to EN ISO 15614 which are similar to the mentioned ISO versions.
>
> Please be aware that there is a new version of the EN 287-1 valid
> since July
> 2011 in which the validity range is changed compared to the previous
> addition.
>
> For example: fillet welds are no longer qualified when performing a
> welder qualification on butt welds.
>
> All qualifications should met the requirements of the latest edition
> regarding the validity range.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten / Best Regards
>
> Herman Pieper
>
> Pieper Quality Support & Inspection
>
> Phone: +31 (0)521 380083
>
> Fax: +31 (0)84 7539225
>
> Cell: +31 (0)6 51691215
>
> www.pieper-qsi.nl
>
> Van: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] Namens alireza samimi
> Verzonden: maandag 31 oktober 2011 16:39
> Aan: materials-welding@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [MW:12802] BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
>
> hi dear
>
> according to your explanation i think you do not know exactly any
> information aboutBS EN
>
> I would like to inform you BS EN 287-1 is not usefull for WPS AND PQR
> .and oly use for welder qualification.
>
> according to EN standard you should see EN 288-1,2,3,4 for WPS and PQR
> and according to ISO you must see ISO 15609 for wps and ISO 5614 for
> PQR
>
> WITH BEST REGARDS
>
> --- On Mon, 10/31/11, ken waterhouse <waterhouse....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: ken waterhouse <waterhouse....@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MW:12801] BS EN 287-1 WPS vs. ASME IX WPS
> To: "Materials & Welding" <materials-welding@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 4:42 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> Just started a new job as welding supervisor. Aside from lots and lots
> of other crap that is wrong with the way the company is doing things
> at the moment, they have such a scattered array of WPS's in both ASME
> IX and BS EN 287-1 that it is almost impossible to collate and use all
> the information.
>
> Our biggest client (national electricity supplier) is shifting to an
> entirely BS EN 287-1 controlled system, from a mix of ASME and BS EN,
> which means that we as a subcontractor of theirs must do the same.
>
> I'm busy working through the WPS's available to me so far and trying
> to relate them to one another, to see where we need to formulate
> completely new WPS's and where we can trans-code them to their
> equivalents. Also just to get the list of all of them in one place.
>
> What I'm hoping is that someone out there has done something similar
> to this before and how you approached it.
>
> If it helps at all, our BSEN WPS #'s look like this S B 3 03. 8 (20) S
> (SMAW, Butt, material 3, Sequence number 03, filler 8, Preheat 20
> deg., Stress relieving)
>
> and our ASME IX ones are as follows M B x 1. 8 (20) S (SMAW, Butt,
> Symbol [on drawing], material group 1, filler group 8, 20deg. preheat
> and stress relieving)
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ken
>
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