Monday, March 7, 2011

[MW:10188] RE: 10158] Re: THROUGH THICKNESS DUCTILE TESTING

The reason to require tests to EN 10164 (for example Z-35 test) is to verify the strength and ductility in the z-direction (out-of-plane). Z-35 is basically a minimum elongation from the yield point to fracture of 35%. It guarantees that the integrity is OK even when we may have plastic deformation in the out-of-plane direction.

Such tests are usually required for heavy wall thickness (>40 mm) when the steel plate or section is used in construction with joints/nodes with very high utilization of the steel out-of-plane. For example for plates or beams, where lifting lugs are welded to. But it may also be relevant to many other joints, depending on the structural design (and design calculations).

Otherwise, if only lamination may be the problem (and for plates betwenn 6 mm and 40 mm thickness, requiring "z-properties", lamination checks are carried out by ultrasonic scanning according to EN 10160.

regards
Kristian

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From: materials-welding@googlegroups.com [mailto:materials-welding@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hpi001
Sent: 5. marts 2011 19:04
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Subject: [MW:10158] Re: THROUGH THICKNESS DUCTILE TESTING

Dear Manoj,

This requirement should be taken in account when purchasing steel plates. Executing a normalizing heat treatment afterwards on rejected plates will normalize your material structure but mostly not dissolve the present manganese sulphite inclusions which often causes not satisfying the required % RA. So in such case in my opinion you need to order new material with the required Z quality mentioned in your purchase order.

Best Regards,

Herman Pieper

On Mar 4, 6:02 pm, manoj john <manojac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Mr.Muthusrinivasan Muthuselvam for your information.  I got
> a plate of thicnkness 125 mm, material S 275 JR . The certificate
> shows only tensil and chemical properties and not mentioned anything
> about heatreatment. I doubt whether this plate pass the through
> thickness ductile test.  If it fails in teting what should be the next
> action means whether normalizing will improve the properties?
>
> Thanks
> Manoj
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM, muthusrinivasan muthuselvam <
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> msm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Mr.Manoj..
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> > Reference standard in Euro norms En10164-- there you willget the
> > total details including test specimen preparation..
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> > Client has to specify whether they need Z15 or Z 25 or Z 40 etc..
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> > specimens has to be prepared like tensile specimen but location is
> > through the thickness and the same will be tested like ultimate
> > tensile stressing but the accepance criteria is not the ultimate
> > load.. acceptance criteria is the (original diameter -distorted
> > diameter)/original diameter in %
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> > br,
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> > msms
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> >  On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:45 PM, manoj john <manojac...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>   Dear members,
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> >> One of my client technical specification calls for through
> >> thickness ductile testing for plate thickness above 40 mm.
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> >> Can you give information about through thickness ductile testing &
> >> why we need to carry out this testing?
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> >> With kind regards.
> >> Manoj
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